China's strategy in Afghanistan.

FairAndUnbiased said:

This serves as a warning to everyone else:

When master has to pick between canine dogs and human dogs, they prefer the canine dogs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1427308696565125121

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More like the origin story of the next Bin Laden being written right there: - Afghan translator who fought and bled with the Americans for two decades only to be abandoned at the airport with his family in favour of doggos. Making them worth less than dogs, which if I am not mistaken, is a grave insult in Afghan culture.

Family will die horrible, needless deaths trying to flee via other means while the translator survives. Will later team up with a Kurdish female Peshmerga fighter who was also used and betrayed by the Americans, who doubles as a love interest. This movie basically writes itself.

FairAndUnbiased said:

This serves as a warning to everyone else:

When master has to pick between canine dogs and human dogs, they prefer the canine dogs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1427308696565125121

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human dogs have outlived their usefulness and is left to stray.

plawolf said:

More like the origin story of the next Bin Laden being written right there: - Afghan translator who fought and bled with the Americans for two decades only to be abandoned at the airport with his family in favour of doggos. Making them worth less than dogs, which if I am not mistaken, is a grave insult in Afghan culture.

Family will die horrible, needless deaths trying to flee via other means while the translator survives. Will later team up with a Kurdish female Peshmerga fighter who was also used and betrayed by the Americans, who doubles as a love interest. This movie basically writes itself.

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Prof Martin Jacque take on recent Afghanistan event
What the US have left behind in is a complete mess. The regime they have been backing for 20 years collapsed like a pack of cards. This is the most extraordinary exit which represents the ultimate humiliation: Martin Jacques

plawolf said:

More like the origin story of the next Bin Laden being written right there: - Afghan translator who fought and bled with the Americans for two decades only to be abandoned at the airport with his family in favour of doggos. Making them worth less than dogs, which if I am not mistaken, is a grave insult in Afghan culture.

Family will die horrible, needless deaths trying to flee via other means while the translator survives. Will later team up with a Kurdish female Peshmerga fighter who was also used and betrayed by the Americans, who doubles as a love interest. This movie basically writes itself.

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UBL is UBL because he has money - in short UBL is the type that can charter a helo to fly him out of Kabul right now if he so chooses, and most likely he'd had done that last Monday at the latest. Any "the next Bin Laden" would've been long gone from Kabul by now.

Whoever got left behind now with no ticket or whatever other means that be to leave, is basically worth nothing to anyone but to themselves. That's the sad reality and a PR disaster for the US-led orders, because this is the unedited live coverage of how the US deal with loose ends, instead of "leave no one behind".

ZeEa5KPul said:

Some lack of reading comprehension as well:


Yeah, we should not prejudge the possibility that the Taliban will turn Afghanistan into Denmark. Any other fantastically improbable events you'd like me to withhold judgement on?

The Taliban is not a blank slate. They have a history that can be consulted. They also have an ideology that they proclaim openly and loudly.

Did I advocate otherwise?

Did I advocate otherwise? That I think China should work with scum if it's in its interest to do so doesn't mean I have to switch my brain off and call scum something else.

Don't spend too much time in the Ladakh thread. Excessive arguments with Jai Hind types might cloud your judgement about the soundness of my position.

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You've been calling Taliban scum. I think that's judgy enough. You don't need to agree with their politics, theology etc. It's not reading comprehension on my part that needs work. It's you staying out of their business.

What involves China is potential future bilateral relations with Afghanistan, potential financing, training, supporting, arming etc of ETIM or any other group that concerns China. This is all. We do not yet know how the Taliban will act.

Anything relating to Afghanistan's internal matters, is for them to decide. Don't judge them. We have no say in those matters and ought to stay away from declaring others who differ in attitudes as xyz. You continued to do just that. I think it is you who has taken western thinking to heart. It is western thinking to declare yourself king and god and condemn others with slanderous speech nonstop. Don't agree with their politics and how they do things, well then be glad you're not Afghani living in Afghanistan I guess. There is absolutely nothing more beyond that unless their ways spill over to you. If and when that happens, act decisively and without compromise. Like China does

At the moment, they are not financing terrorism or supporting anti-China campaigns. They are not demanding Chinese women veil themselves etc. I don't understand the judgement and the condemnation. It sounds so western. Proclamation, I am right!!!!! then proceed to blunder.

Afghanistan should be a timely reminder to the PLA higher ups about their own insurgency and counter revolutionary roots and not just worship at the altar of aircraft carriers and missiles 民心 is what ultimately wins wars.

As for strategy don't see why Afghanistan would need to be treated any differently from the other neighbourhood 'stans, or Iran '世界人民大团结万岁' as it says on the right side of Tiananmen! Anything else would just be a Neocon's wet dream/nightmare, wishful thinking of Chinese Imperialism!

More practical would be to take a delegation around Xinjiang to show them how to restore a society and economy after the onslaught of terrorist troubles.

If the Taliban want to be good neighbours and reap the rewards of proximity to a prosperous economy that should be welcomed, however, if they want to wage jihad in China that is their choice and decision to make, nonetheless they would be wise to consider whilst they may think they have 'strategic patience' 2000+ years of continuous civilisation is not the result of a people whose instincts are merely transactional with a "we win, you lose" mentality so perhaps not a course of action to be taken lightly. There are after all reasons why although the historic Arabic Islamic conquests reached the shores of the Atlantic they never made it to the Pacific!

ougoah said:

We do not yet know how the Taliban will act.

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We already know how the Taliban will act. Only among things that matter to China - they persecuted Hazaras who are genetically related to Chinese, massacred Tajiks (a recognized Chinese ethnic group), blew up Buddhist statues, banned many products which have dominant Chinese market share, etc.

During the secular Afghan govenment era of the past 20 years, Chinese had opportunities to do business and gather information in Afghanistan. Chinese did not have this opportunity in the 1990's under Taliban control.

A secular Afghanistan would have been a major market for Chinese goods while providing raw materials. Taliban run Afghanistan will ban many Chinese products again and will be hard to do business in.

So with the Taliban victory can we say that the new Quad is DOA?

ougoah said:

It's not reading comprehension on my part that needs work.

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