China's strategic vulnerabilities

AssassinsMace said:

Spin. I'm the one arguing being loved by the West is worthless. I was giving an example of your lopsided inconsistency.

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So why do you care about western countries being anti-china ? I didn't mention these worthless issue, you did.
As you don't seem to understand, the issue is about china own flaws not western countries actions.

escobar said:

So why do you care about western countries being anti-china ? I didn't mention these worthless issue, you did.
As you don't seem to understand, the issue is about china own flaws not western countries actions.

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I can tell you're not from an English speaking Western country. You have a comprehension issue or is this a tactic to tell me what I'm saying that I didn't say so you can win an argument? Never said that. I'm arguing all those things are worthless to pursue including your advice for China. Remember I said China is the 2nd most powerful country in the world without being liked. So where is the part that I care if countries like China or not?

escobar said:

You seem to have a love/hate issue with the Western countries. Nobody has to love China because of its positive trait. IR is not love relation.
China achievements is for China, not a way to obtain approval or acceptance from Western countries.
Like PRC gov, you are obsessed with the West specially US. This unhealthy obsession weakens PRC gov as they give more importance than necessary to the relations with US.

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The CCP is not obsessed with the US, nor does it want to replace the US or upset the global status quo/power structure. It merely positions itself amidst a world order that's been largely dictated by the West (and in particular the US over the past century) to benefit the interests of China and its people - a consistent track record proven from Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin, Hu Jintao, all the way up to present day with Xi Jinping. If America drives towards protectionism/isolationism, well you bet your ass the CCP will be adjusting policy to protect and benefit the interests of China.

We honestly couldn't give a flying toss how little Trump and his goons think of us as our economy continues to grow leaps and bounds while theirs goes into decline. While you've been barking away annoyingly getting the world to call you daddy and bombing third world countries into the stoneage under the guise of "nation building", we've been busy growing our economy and lifting millions out of poverty - how about that for international relations eh? At the end of the day actions speak larger than words. You don't need to tell who has the bigger stick when the shadow of your stick looms larger. This is not a flaw or a vulnerability.

AssassinsMace said:

I can tell you're not from an English speaking Western country. You have a comprehension issue or is this a tactic to tell me what I'm saying that I didn't say so you can win an argument? Never said that. I'm arguing all those things are worthless to pursue including your advice for China. Remember I said China is the 2nd most powerful country in the world without being liked. So where is the part that I care if countries like China or not?

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You said China is the 2nd most powerful country in the world and I say China can still be constrained.
I didn't say China need to be liked to avoid that. You assumed that.

escobar said:

You said China is the 2nd most powerful country in the world and I say China can still be constrained.
I didn't say China need to be liked to avoid that. You assumed that.

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Was I the one that first reply to you? No you replied to me. China's is growing economically while the US is not. Where's China being constrained? No power to do so unless you're talking military actions. And why hasn't the US gone to war with China...? Constrained because of fear of counterattack?

crash8pilot said:

The CCP is not obsessed with the US

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They are...

crash8pilot said:

nor does it want to replace the US or upset the global status quo/power structure.

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Does not matter because even if they want they can't do it.

crash8pilot said:

It merely positions itself amidst a world order that's been largely dictated by the West (and in particular the US over the past century) to benefit the interests of China and its people - a consistent track record proven from Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin, Hu Jintao, all the way up to present day with Xi Jinping. If America drives towards protectionism/isolationism, well you bet your ass the CCP will be adjusting policy to protect and benefit the interests of China.

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Exact

crash8pilot said:

We honestly couldn't give a flying toss how little Trump and his goons think of us as our economy continues to grow leaps and bounds while theirs goes into decline. While you've been barking away annoyingly getting the world to call you daddy and bombing third world countries into the stoneage under the guise of "nation building", we've been busy growing our economy and lifting millions out of poverty

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It's all that matters

AssassinsMace said:

Was I the one that first reply to you? No you replied to me. China's is growing economically while the US is not. Where's China being constrained? No power to do so unless you're talking military actions. And why hasn't the US gone to war with China...? Constrained because of fear of counterattack?

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US containment policy against URSS was without direct war.
Huawei ban is a sort of constrainment. Same for the Clean Network program or QUAD or military sales to Taiwan.
No need of war to do all that and some China own actions can speed up and facilitate that.

escobar said:

US containment policy against URSS was without direct war.
Huawei ban is a sort of constrainment. Same for the Clean Network program or QUAD or military sales to Taiwan.
No need of war to do all that and some China own actions can speed up and facilitate that.

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And the US will be in the Russian role this time having to counter everything China is doing. You've been arguing that China is constrained. Why isn't all the West "constraining" China now? No need for death by a thousand cuts when they can do it with one blow? And all you need to know is it's the West in panic over China's rise. No need worrying if they had all the power you claim they have. And yet the West is worried China will be constraining them in the future.

escobar said:

There are several causes for this. Some are independent of the actions of China.
Others are linked to certain PRC gov actions that come from a mixture of incompetence, insecurity and arrogance.

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Dont leave out one of the major factor, propagandas/fake news designed to destroy and split up China into many smaller states so as to easily control them. Divide and conquer in it's core. Same thing happens to Russia too.

escobar said:

Yes US is spreading anti-china propaganda. This is normal in IR. But it is not US fault if China own PR is weak.
China must give up this attitude of blaming others for his own flaws.

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I agree on China weak pr. I think China should do major overhauling of it's foreign department. Redesign it to counter the fake news/propagandas.

Weak pr doesn't automatically becomes China's fault. It's ridiculous to say the liars is right because liars shout louder. Do you want to live in the world fills with lies and see it as new normal?