China's Space Program Thread II

sunnymaxi

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interesting thought from cute orca

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Guowang is not purely civilian.

Implication being that SpaceSail is the one that will be used by more OEMs and foreign users. Guowang is more for national security and will have other roles.

CALT described these as "huge in size and are a group of "heavyweight" satellites"

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gpt

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CALT described these as "huge in size and are a group of "heavyweight" satellites"

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imo only a matter of time before GW gets a separate constellation like Starshield that will provide a common satellite bus for mounting payloads - including optical, IR and other sensors. In fact the Yaogan series is already what the US military calls a 'multi-layer or proliferated LEO architecture', see end of this article for explanation of its principles:
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I didn't think GW would be 100% civillian either, there are already several separate constellations for that.
The truth is the milspace meta has already shifted from launching big expensive and difficult to manufacture satellites towards this architecture (see what the US are doing and what Europe is planning).
Imo this is a new program altogether, like Shijian, TJS or Yaogan. So the reality is there could be satellites for all kinds of different purposes within this program.
This will be a large scale resilient architecture and probably have the ability to work together with future assets (eg. Beidou-4 nav which will also have a LEO component).

Also these sats are part of what's called 星网

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taxiya

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how big one satellite is, i mean they required biggest rocket LM5 just for 10 satellites only ??

It is possible that the number of satellites was determined not by the rocket's carrying capacity, but by other reasons. But the issue with the mass of one apparatus is not very clear. In the photo in the post #5,198 it is indicated 225 kg., but there is also a figure of 600 kg...

So it's really only 10 satellites for this big long march 5B rocket. Qianfan is launching 18 sats on much smaller rocket, I think we need more info what was the reason for the biggest rocket to launch, maybe the first satellites are different to the ones that will follow

Maybe each one has massive through-put. Considering Qianfan already exist it does make sense for Guowang to consist of smaller number of higher capacity, higher orbit satellites, rather than just duplicate Qianfan.

Or maybe Guowang is just piggybacking on a main classified payload.
The GW sats in this launch are 600kg each in the photo. GW is the sats' designation in orbit registration. The constallation in Chinese is called "星网", SatNet.
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The total mass is 6T, adding deployment device it would be close to or more than 7T. YZ-2 wet mass is 8T. That is 14T. Then the orbit is much higher than Tiangong station's 400km, that reduces the total payload mass of 22T. So the launch using CZ-5 is simply the reason of payload demand.

Also worth to remember is that, SatNet is different from all other constellations including Starlink and G60, it consists of high, medium and low orbit. The higher the orbit, the heavier and larger the sat is or can be. The higher orbit sat has higher bandwidth, larger antenna and bigger size. They serve as trunk router/hub. Even in the same orbit, a heavier sat can afford more transmitters for better switching/routing etc. Unless we know more about its archetecture, there is nothing to be surprised or speculated.
 
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sunnymaxi

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The GW sats in this launch are 600kg each in the photo. GW is the sats' designation in orbit registration. The constallation in Chinese is called "星网", SatNet.
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The total mass is 6T, adding deployment device it would be close to or more than 7T. YZ-2 wet mass is 8T. That is 14T. Then the orbit is much higher than Tiangong station's 400km, that reduces the total payload mass of 22T. So the launch using CZ-5 is simply the reason of payload demand.

Also worth to remember is that, SatNet is different from all other constellations including Starlink and G60, it consists of high, medium and low orbit. The higher the orbit, the heavier and larger the sat is. The higher orbit sat has higher bandwidth, larger antenna and bigger size. They serve as trunk router/hub.
hmm.. CASC has confirmed there will be more Long March 5B launches of SatNet.
 

taxiya

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I didn't think GW would be 100% civillian either, there are already several separate constellations for that.
The truth is the milspace meta has already shifted from launching big expensive and difficult to manufacture satellites towards this architecture (see what the US are doing and what Europe is planning).
Imo this is a new program altogether, like Shijian, TJS or Yaogan. So the reality is there could be satellites for all kinds of different purposes within this program.
This will be a large scale resilient architecture and probably have the ability to work together with future assets (eg. Beidou-4 nav which will also have a LEO component).

Also these sats are part of what's called 星网

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The talk about "military vs. civillian" space asset is really just a propaganda talk point by the US. There is no difference between a civilian and millitary space camera or internet communication sat. They do the same job as Starlink is already doing in Ukraine, and all the drones and pickup trucks.
 
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