China's SCS Strategy Thread

ACuriousPLAFan

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If you want to blame someone, a single person who's responsible to make this an acceptable thing international relations you know who you should blame?
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*Makes a deal with China
*Unilaterally violates the deal
*Smug face thinking the US fully backs them
*China responds
*Accuses China of doing bad stuff to them
*Screams papa US papa Japan papa Australia papa PCA please help us
*China shows proof of the deal
*Surprised Pikachu Face
*Blames China for spying the deal instead of questioning why did they made that deal with China in the first place

That's some geopolitical and bilateral relation skills worthy of MasterClass right there. In fact, the Philippines DoD might manage to earn enough money to buy F-35s from Lockheed Martin just by hosting MasterClass online lessons.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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This tweet alone shows how Jai Hind their country's "elite" thinks.

This man is certifiable idiot. His tweet thinks that the conversation between his country's MILITARY/GOVERNMENT officials discussion regarding NATIONAL INTERESTS and Affairs are privy to some sort of PRIVACY = PRIVATE conversation.

His second point essentially says China is trying to blackmail? How's it blackmail?

3rd point he made was the Chinese should release the transcript since there's maybe a "mistranslation" due to Chinese being Mandarin speakers and may have mistranslated their Tagalog-English (such a high I.Q. language).

And then posting Deng's famous speech at the U.N. ( which I found stupid that Deng even made such remarks.)
 

Overbom

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China famously sucks and/or disdains at PR. If it goes to such lengths for just this, then I would be quite worried if I was Phillipines.

US does PR attacks just for fun sometimes, but if China does such PR attack then there is 100% a reason for it and following actions are being planned as well

Dunno when, but I am getting increasingly certain that if Philippines continues its usual shenanigans, the Chinese hammer is eventually going to drop on them.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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China famously sucks and/or disdains at PR. If it goes to such lengths for just this, then I would be quite worried if I was Phillipines.

US does PR attacks just for fun sometimes, but if China does such PR attack then there is 100% a reason for it and following actions are being planned as well

Dunno when, but I am getting increasingly certain that if Philippines continues its usual shenanigans, the Chinese hammer is eventually going to drop on them.
Question: What's the difference between PR and China's informatized a.k.a. information warfare? Isn't PR not part of information battle? If they supposedly suck at PR then how are they going to fare any better when an actual conflict starts in terms of shaping the public's perception and attention. Unless the shaping and molding the attention are directed primarily to the Chinese people. But, I don't see that as any more advantageous for China if they have to do or make a lot of efforts in convincing the Chinese masses that their government's action is just and worthy of their sacrifice. That people should rally behind its govt tend to be given in many countries, regardless of how, why, and what.

Help me understand the dichotomy of these two seemingly similar approaches in context.
 

Overbom

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Question: What's the difference between PR and China's informatized a.k.a. information warfare? Isn't PR not part of information battle? If they supposedly suck at PR then how are they going to fare any better when an actual conflict starts in terms of shaping the public's perception and attention. Unless the shaping and molding the attention are directed primarily to the Chinese people. But, I don't see that as any more advantageous for China if they have to do or make a lot of efforts in convincing the Chinese masses that their government's action is just and worthy of their sacrifice. That people should rally behind its govt tend to be given in many countries, regardless of how, why, and what.

Help me understand the dichotomy of these two seemingly similar approaches in context.
Well I refrain from calling them information warfare, because, it's not very PR to say it like that. Warfare after all sounds a bit scary for many people so I just call it PR

Tbh most of the things we call PR nowadays it's just information warfare. From "Tibet independence" to HK, to Uighurs genocide bs, to now "overcapacity", they are all proper information warfare.

I tend to see PR more for defensive information shaping operations, while information attack or better yet, cognitive warfare, more for attacking information warfare.

Overall on the military domain, I consider PR as part of the cognitive domain. But nowdays, many times these terms are used interchangeably.

To conclude, I would consider this episode as cognitive warfare with an attacking purpose
 

coolgod

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Question: What's the difference between PR and China's informatized a.k.a. information warfare? Isn't PR not part of information battle? If they supposedly suck at PR then how are they going to fare any better when an actual conflict starts in terms of shaping the public's perception and attention. Unless the shaping and molding the attention are directed primarily to the Chinese people. But, I don't see that as any more advantageous for China if they have to do or make a lot of efforts in convincing the Chinese masses that their government's action is just and worthy of their sacrifice. That people should rally behind its govt tend to be given in many countries, regardless of how, why, and what.

Help me understand the dichotomy of these two seemingly similar approaches in context.
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Great Chinese investigative video on US information warfare in the South China Sea.
 

Wrought

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Question: What's the difference between PR and China's informatized a.k.a. information warfare? Isn't PR not part of information battle? If they supposedly suck at PR then how are they going to fare any better when an actual conflict starts in terms of shaping the public's perception and attention. Unless the shaping and molding the attention are directed primarily to the Chinese people. But, I don't see that as any more advantageous for China if they have to do or make a lot of efforts in convincing the Chinese masses that their government's action is just and worthy of their sacrifice. That people should rally behind its govt tend to be given in many countries, regardless of how, why, and what.

Help me understand the dichotomy of these two seemingly similar approaches in context.

Two very different concepts which only sound similar in English.

Informatized warfare = 信息化战争, violent conflict waged by uniformed soldiers where the information is specific, technical, and actionable—targeting data for an enemy asset, number of incoming fires, munitions resupplied per day, etc. This is war in the purest sense, information literally used to kill people.

Information warfare = 认知作战, words and words and more words where the information is of wildly varying quality and significance—PR and narratives and propaganda from official sources, news media, any random idiot, and so on. This is "war" of the sort which happens on the internet every day and ignoring the whole thing is probably the sanest course of action.
 

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Philippines insist that the new model agreement with China in the SCS is a "False Chinese narrative"

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Filipino politicians are now targeting ethnic Chinese-Filipino and accusing them of being "China assets", I have concerns in the past that scenarios like this will happen at some point, which is why I advocated for ethnic Chinese/ Mixed Chinese people in the Philippines to form a political block that will push for their interests. Chinese Filipinos have an enormous wealth at their disposal, perhaps its not too much to suggest that they use a portion of this wealth to advance the welfare of their fellow Chinese Filipinos and put this prejudiced Sinophobe politician in her place

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