China's SCS Strategy Thread

[ansy1968]

The western MSM might be celebrating and hyping this stupid drama, but from both a practically and strategic POV, the new Philippines bases are essentially a non-issue because they are too small and too far away to matter in a Taiwan or SCS scenario.

The Philippines military is a non-factory for China, and the bases are easily overmatched by just China’s SCS bases, and easily within missile range of those bases.

The only real value in having them is that it creates more targets for China to have to hit with its missiles, and also to add another number to America’s coalition against China.

The very best case scenario for the Americans would be that China wastes resources trying to
conquer the Philippines as well out of rage, to hope to cause the PLA to overextend itself and also to allow the US to paint China as a threat to the wider region. But China is not going to be so stupid. It will erase those US bases and leave the rest of the Philippines alone. If the Philippines military is stupid enough to try to go on the offensive, it will get deleted and China might do some limited punitive actions and just ignore them thereafter.

If anything, for a purely operational POV, it would have been far more beneficial to secretly flip the Philippines and fly recon flights in Philippines airspace using Philippines transponders and give China some hard choices. But by dragging the Philippines so overtly into things, it actually makes it so much easier for China and the PLA if the balloon does go up.

It’s a sign of just have desperate they are getting that adding such a minor power to their ‘side’ is worth such effort and celebrating, especially when they do so openly to score cheap and ultimately meaningless PR points instead of keeping a potential card to play when it actually might make a difference. Position of strength indeed.

The Philippine military or AFP is a POLICE FORCE period. It can't even defend our territory from the Abu Sayaf bandits operating from Sabah...lol so the solution is to ask for protection BUT the devil want our soul for payment and the leaderships readily agree because it wasn't his to begin with.

 

[davidau]

The Philippine military or AFP is a POLICE FORCE period. It can't even defend our territory from the Abu Sayaf bandits operating from Sabah...lol so the solution is to ask for protection BUT the devil want our soul for payment and the leaderships readily agree because it wasn't his to begin with.

they are subserviant to you know who, always.

 

[tphuang]

The western MSM might be celebrating and hyping this stupid drama, but from both a practically and strategic POV, the new Philippines bases are essentially a non-issue because they are too small and too far away to matter in a Taiwan or SCS scenario.

The Philippines military is a non-factory for China, and the bases are easily overmatched by just China’s SCS bases, and easily within missile range of those bases.

The only real value in having them is that it creates more targets for China to have to hit with its missiles, and also to add another number to America’s coalition against China.

The very best case scenario for the Americans would be that China wastes resources trying to
conquer the Philippines as well out of rage, to hope to cause the PLA to overextend itself and also to allow the US to paint China as a threat to the wider region. But China is not going to be so stupid. It will erase those US bases and leave the rest of the Philippines alone. If the Philippines military is stupid enough to try to go on the offensive, it will get deleted and China might do some limited punitive actions and just ignore them thereafter.

If anything, for a purely operational POV, it would have been far more beneficial to secretly flip the Philippines and fly recon flights in Philippines airspace using Philippines transponders and give China some hard choices. But by dragging the Philippines so overtly into things, it actually makes it so much easier for China and the PLA if the balloon does go up.

It’s a sign of just have desperate they are getting that adding such a minor power to their ‘side’ is worth such effort and celebrating, especially when they do so openly to score cheap and ultimately meaningless PR points instead of keeping a potential card to play when it actually might make a difference. Position of strength indeed.

By virtue of the fact that these bases might be used against China in a war. In the event of a conflict, China will not only bomb the places, but also reserve the right to go in there and use i as its own base. It will leave rest of Philippines alone, but as long as America has troop there, it gives China excuse to not only take the base (which they can do easily), but put a small operation there where it can make sure to jam any possible help that Philippines may provide to us military. I can blockade Philippines and give it a choice between economic blockade vs continued trading with China and having base there for the duration of the conflict.

Because Philippines is so much within PLA's attack range, the entire base seems like just such a dumb idea for us military

 

[CMP]

By virtue of the fact that these bases might be used against China in a war. In the event of a conflict, China will not only bomb the places, but also reserve the right to go in there and use i as its own base. It will leave rest of Philippines alone, but as long as America has troop there, it gives China excuse to not only take the base (which they can do easily), but put a small operation there where it can make sure to jam any possible help that Philippines may provide to us military. I can blockade Philippines and give it a choice between economic blockade vs continued trading with China and having base there for the duration of the conflict.

Because Philippines is so much within PLA's attack range, the entire base seems like just such a dumb idea for us military

It wouldn't shock me if the real purpose of those bases is to get Philippines dragged into the war as cannon fodder. They've got 114 million brain dead fools to draft.

 

[tphuang]

It wouldn't shock me if the real purpose of those bases is to get Philippines dragged into the war as cannon fodder. They've got 114 million brain dead fools to draft.

lol, what could Philippines even fight with? China can easily blockade it into submission. By agreeing to have US bases there, Philippines has opened itself up as a target. Well, at least all the American bases

People, America has fixed number of patriot missiles. How many do you think it can spare to defend bases in Philippines?

 

[CMP]

lol, what could Philippines even fight with? China can easily blockade it into submission. By agreeing to have US bases there, Philippines has opened itself up as a target. Well, at least all the American bases

People, America has fixed number of patriot missiles. How many do you think it can spare to defend bases in Philippines?

I don't think the US gives a shit in that scenario as long as the Filipinos are throwing endless bodies into the Chinese meat grinder. Even if they're all rowing to the mainland in rafts and killing the first Chinese they see using whatever means available.

 

[tphuang]

I don't think the US gives a shit in that scenario as long as the Filipinos are throwing endless bodies into the Chinese meat grinder. Even if they're all rowing to the mainland in rafts.

Filipinos don't have weapons, they can't throw themselves into Chinese meat grinders. Stop making stuff up. People really need to stop hyping stuff that just isn't going to happen.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

I don't think the US gives a shit in that scenario as long as the Filipinos are throwing endless bodies into the Chinese meat grinder. Even if they're all rowing to the mainland in rafts and killing the first Chinese they see using whatever means available.

How are the Pinoys going to become meat grinders? through their locally made boats? lol...come one dude let's chill a bit here. I lived in the Philippines and actually have known people that served in the military of that country and I can tell you that their military leaders along with their mostly useless elected politicians are some of the most corrupt and useless bunch in the world. As @ansy1968 correctly pointed out, their most recent war against a rag-tag group of terrorists/separatists bogged down the entirety of the Philippine Military in 5 months long battle, f..ng 5 MONTHS!! The Philippine military/Army units did not have adequate radio com, non-existent ISR (They had to seek help from Australia, U.S.) artillery coordination was shit, Air Force LOL...and you're going to expect the Philippine Military to magically be turned around as a force built for high tempo operation against the regional superpower that is China? With what Navy? which Air Force? and how are they even going to be air lifted into the mainland or Taiwan province without being turned into exploding sardines?

 

[ansy1968]

How are the Pinoys going to become meat grinders? through their locally made boats? lol...come one dude let's chill a bit here. I lived in the Philippines and actually have known people that served in the military of that country and I can tell you that their military leaders along with their mostly useless elected politicians are some of the most corrupt and useless bunch in the world. As @ansy1968 correctly pointed out, their most recent war against a rag-tag group of terrorists/separatists bogged down the entirety of the Philippine Military in 5 months long battle, f..ng 5 MONTHS!! The Philippine military/Army units did not have adequate radio com, non-existent ISR (They had to seek help from Australia, U.S.) artillery coordination was shit, Air Force LOL...and you're going to expect the Philippine Military to magically be turned around as a force built for high tempo operation against the regional superpower that is China? With what Navy? which Air Force? and how are they even going to be air lifted into the mainland or Taiwan province without being turned into exploding sardines?

Thanks bro, I hate to say this BUT AFP Raison d'etre is to be a colonial police of the American.

 

[CMP]

How are the Pinoys going to become meat grinders? through their locally made boats? lol...come one dude let's chill a bit here. I lived in the Philippines and actually have known people that served in the military of that country and I can tell you that their military leaders along with their mostly useless elected politicians are some of the most corrupt and useless bunch in the world. As @ansy1968 correctly pointed out, their most recent war against a rag-tag group of terrorists/separatists bogged down the entirety of the Philippine Military in 5 months long battle, f..ng 5 MONTHS!! The Philippine military/Army units did not have adequate radio com, non-existent ISR (They had to seek help from Australia, U.S.) artillery coordination was shit, Air Force LOL...and you're going to expect the Philippine Military to magically be turned around as a force built for high tempo operation against the regional superpower that is China? With what Navy? which Air Force? and how are they even going to be air lifted into the mainland or Taiwan province without being turned into exploding sardines?

I never said they'd become the meat grinder. I was saying they'd volunteer to be fed into the Chinese meat grinder at the US's command. Come out the other side like meat paste.