China's SCS Strategy Thread

[BlackWindMnt]

The current situation concerning the new US bases is one of the main reasons why I proposed a while back for China to exponentially increase Chinese immigration into the Philippines, when there is enough Chinese diaspora in the Philippines, they will have a bigger influence in Philippine politics, and because of their affinity to Chinese identity, they can lobby the government to keep at least a neutral position in matters concerning Chinese and US rivalry in the region. The Chinese community in the Philippines already control a huge chunk of the country's business and finance industry, imagine if the Chinese population in the country is even bigger; they will surely have an enormous influence in politics as well.

That will take long, what I think is needed is for China to create/boost their own comprador group. Like exclusive trade deals with the pro China oligarch groups. Nudging chinese importers from getting their import product from their pro chinese Filipino exporters. Because the pro western oligarch will feel the squeeze, given that the west will go into recession. I think this will pay itself back in like 20 years.

It pains me to say this but I don't see any other way in the medium term future to sway the Philippines for a long time and not do the constant 6 year dance between a pro or anti chinese government.

 

[ansy1968]

She's an American c..t and she's just using her ethnic background as a shield to welcome anti-China racists to say they're not racist since they support a Chinese hating ethnic Chinese-American. That however does not apply the same way with respect to the Philippines. The social dynamics and relationships with respect to that country's social hierarchy towards Filipino of Chinese descent is quite positive since some of the most successful businesses in that country are from the ethnic Chinese minority like Henry Sy of the Mall of Asia, SM mega malls, Lucio Tan of PAL and other notable luminaries like @ansy1968 who can also provide additional context and on the ground reporting on this situation. I could be really way off with respect to this assessment which am more than happy to be corrected.

Bro we need to differentiate between a Taipan ( First generation those who came directly from China) and the Chinese mestizo. The reason for the Taipan success is they were constricted from owning land thus they become industrialist BUT the children of the Taipans or the 2nd generation had become in manner of doing business like the Chinese mestizo. They become complacent and lazy therefore cannot compete with the Mainlanders or even the Taiwanese.

So you see we come to full circle, as the new elite had become the new oligarchs as they were coopted by the landed Gentry thru intermarriage and social acceptance.

Since China is growing in prominence, the influx of new Chinese immigrants will slow thus depriving the Philippines of new talent and economic vitality. My parents and other Hua Qiao is a prime example, they and their generation help build the country, I'm afraid the new generation will follow the footsteps of the American and whine themselves to poverty.

 

[abc123]

You should try and answer that question yourself, since your opinion and outlook regarding this issue is an aberration or goes against the grain from the majority of members here and from the opinions of American security analysts that aren't delusional with America rules, America # 1 sloganeering.

The most intensive fighting the Philippine Military was involved with most recently was the insurrection/rebel/separatists/terrorists operations in Marawi which is located in the southern islands of the Philippines. In that operation, Army, Airforce, and Navy of the Philippine Military were involved in trying to quell of ragtag, irregular forces composed of more or less 500 fighters which were able to withstand the combined assault of the Phil military for 5 long months. Then President Duterte did not hesitate to suspend habeas corpus, imposed martial law in all of Mindanao to ensure the military operations against the terrorist rebels were to succeed operationally with extreme prejudice.

Then read the AFTER ACTION REPORT of that battle and come back to us if you still think that Philippine military has the pre-requisite, or even the sufficient amount of civilian-military fusion, civilian-military infrastructures, military training, military doctrine, military know-how and equipment to be even come close to being SUFFICIENT to make any iota of difference against any potential war with CHINA'S PLA/PLAAF/PLAN/PLGAF.

Don't see that I mentioned martial provess of Phillipine Military anywhere? On the other hand, US MILITARY and their bases in Phillipines are something completely different...

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Don't see that I mentioned martial provess of Phillipine Military anywhere? On the other hand, US MILITARY and their bases in Phillipines are something completely different...

Then why don't you illuminate to us what difference does these 4 or 5 new bases in the Philippines for the U.S. military will and can make the difference in the potential Taiwan war with China.

 

[CMP]

Then why don't you illuminate to us what difference does these 4 or 5 new bases in the Philippines for the U.S. military will and can make the difference in the potential Taiwan war with China.

Alternatively, we should be banning people that are just wasting everyone's time.

 

[PhSt]

There are increasing attempts by political forces under Washington's payroll to make provocative actions against China

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Its becoming clear that the US intends to spark an armed conflict between the PH and China to open a second front against China in the event of a PLA liberation of Taiwan, the US is hoping to divert resources meant for the operation in Taiwan with the aim to bog down PLA forces. I hope China is aware of these sinister plans by the US and its NATO proxies.

 

[duskseeker]

There are increasing attempts by political forces under Washington's payroll to make provocative actions against China

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Its becoming clear that the US intends to spark an armed conflict between the PH and China to open a second front against China in the event of a PLA liberation of Taiwan, the US is hoping to divert resources meant for the operation in Taiwan with the aim to bog down PLA forces. I hope China is aware of these sinister plans by the US and its NATO proxies.

The bombing of the Philippines one dam in luzon and their few power grids would be enough to stall them. No need for land invasion just keep hitting the US bases. Anyways what are the chances of Taiwan forces couping the Taiwanese Government?

 

[Biscuits]

There are increasing attempts by political forces under Washington's payroll to make provocative actions against China

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Its becoming clear that the US intends to spark an armed conflict between the PH and China to open a second front against China in the event of a PLA liberation of Taiwan, the US is hoping to divert resources meant for the operation in Taiwan with the aim to bog down PLA forces. I hope China is aware of these sinister plans by the US and its NATO proxies.

Philippines is a lot lot less provocative than US threats to invade China. Battle between China and Philippines is just between a nuclear major and a minor country, no different than Ukraine or Iraq war, whereas US trying to take over Taiwan is contesting the core territory of another nuclear power.

If war with PH really is on the horizon, it'll not be too dangerous for world stability at large. US would achieve it's objective of creating a new iron curtain for itself, China would achieve it's objective of hegemony in Asia.

But that is assuming PH can acquire the assets needed to sustain itself for more than a few days of fighting. Right now, their navy is incomparably bad. That is not an exaggeration. PH navy has 2 anti ship missile carrying frigates which carry 8 harpoon copies each, with no area defense ability. They also have 3 Ex-US DD. DD and not DDG because they are gun only destroyers.

Effectively, a single 054A is comparable in firepower to the whole PH navy. So I'm not sure PH will ever be able to sustain what US wants them to do against China.

 

[ansy1968]

Philippines is a lot lot less provocative than US threats to invade China. Battle between China and Philippines is just between a nuclear major and a minor country, no different than Ukraine or Iraq war, whereas US trying to take over Taiwan is contesting the core territory of another nuclear power.

If war with PH really is on the horizon, it'll not be too dangerous for world stability at large. US would achieve it's objective of creating a new iron curtain for itself, China would achieve it's objective of hegemony in Asia.

But that is assuming PH can acquire the assets needed to sustain itself for more than a few days of fighting. Right now, their navy is incomparably bad. That is not an exaggeration. PH navy has 2 anti ship missile carrying frigates which carry 8 harpoon copies each, with no area defense ability. They also have 3 Ex-US DD. DD and not DDG because they are gun only destroyers.

Effectively, a single 054A is comparable in firepower to the whole PH navy. So I'm not sure PH will ever be able to sustain what US wants them to do against China.

Bro you figure it out, the US detente will test the American promise of rearmament, let see IF the American can fulfilled it. Marcos thought he can have security for cheap BUT the American even during their Previous Balikatan Exercise didn't allow the Filipino soldiers to used their equipment. So what is the value of those exercises, they can't use it in SCS as it become a China lake. It's all optics, Marcos knew it as well as the Americans. The Philippines is indefensible like @duskseeker and @PhSt had posted a strike in one of our critical infrastructure will rendered those bases inoperable. A prime example is the Airport chaos happen last Jan 3.

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Jan 3, 2023 — Passengers crowd the departure lobby while others set up camp inside the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Terminal 3 in Pasay City on ...

And Duterte comments said it all.

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Feb 16, 2021 — Americans bring with them their firearms, they display their equipment and everything...They teach Filipinos how to use them and after that, ...

"The theater of war, if ever it starts, is in (South) China Sea. We insist on being Americans, we should be provided with the arms and armaments that’s capable of at least - that would place us on equal footing with the other countries at war with us because China would really target us. But Americans are not giving anything," Duterte said.

"You know, I have talked to so many military guys. They said, the war games, it's coming I think in May. Americans bring with them their firearms, they display their equipment and everything...They teach Filipinos how to use them and after that, they go home and bring back their equipment...That is the lamentation of the Filipino," he added.

 

[ansy1968]

The lamentation of the Filipinos that Duterte alluded to are the ruling elite and those high ranking officer. To climb the social ladder the military officer had to conform. IF you studied the history of RAM (Reform of the Armed Forces Movement) lead by Gringo Honasan and the PMA class of 1971 (of which Duterte is a member) they specifically cited the corruption inside the military and the American FMS (Foreign Military Assistance). We were supplied with junk American surplus equipment which we paid for as part of the payment for those US military bases, that dependency is the carrot for the US involvement in our domestic affairs. With the republic being threatened from within by Muslim separatist and communist insurgency, the AFP was forced to fight a desperate battle unfit to fight an insurgency. We can end it ASAP IF the US gave us the necessary equipment needed and the Marawi Siege which lasted for 5 Fxxking Month is an eye opener to all of us.