Does the Philippines know their borders were made under colonialism?
China's SCS Strategy Thread
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Well bro even though the Spanish don't fully control Mindanao it is acknowledged that their colonization precede that of the British in Malaysia, so historically our claimed to Sabah is valid. The bright side of being colonized is that we are force to unite with strong Regionalism to fight a common cause.
In 1511, Malacca fell into the hands of the Portuguese and that was the beginning of the colonial era in Malaya. After that, Malaya fell into the hands of the Dutch in 1641 and British in 1824 through the Anglo–Dutch Treaty. British colonization was the longest compared to others.
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nah I think the people of Sabah has the right to self determination.
I think the Philippines risked the lived of its citizens sending them to work in Taiwan so that China could not do a surprise reunification attack without getting the US involved. I think they really are sacrificial lambs just in case things go south.
I'm one of the doves and I think China will not risk war over Taiwan, my reasoning is very simple why destroy something you owned.
there are ways to retaliate and China do have friends to help her as she navigates to create a new world order as time is on China side.What I'm seeing, the American timeline for war with China had been moved to 2025 instead of 2028, they're anticipating that Biden will not win the election, so the threat will escalate and a BIG MAYBE the 2024 election will be postpone. They're trying to sell a war to the American public BUT the Ukraine War may forestall that plan, as the Russian grind the Ukrainian, a situation not ideal as the American knows fighting a 2 front war or maybe a three front war (middle east) will be a disaster.
I think you meant risk war ON Taiwan and I agree. I think China will try very hard to avoid war but if it comes will keep it on the boundary of the First Island Chain. I've said several times the safest place to be for any US-China conflict over Taiwan is on the island itself.
If the US had to deal with just the Ukraine conflict, they might risk a Taiwan conflict. But China's master move towards reconciling Iran and Saudi Arabia followed by welcoming Syria, UAE and Qatar joining in Yemen resolution, SCO outreach, yuan-based oil sales, etc has suddenly left Israel alone in the midst of its worst domestic turmoil with the US having no response. And then there's China's redesign of the WB/IMF's vampire squid debt trap for developing and emerging economies, again with the US having no response.
From the US military perspective, the situation is overwhelming. It claims an ability to fight a two-front war but as you pointed out a three-front war started by Israel in the Middle East is more likely. And that's two fronts too much. So stalemate waiting on Israel.
Thanks bro, China deft strategic diplomatic moves may create a large space for her to maneuver BUT never underestimate the stupidity of the American ruling elites, just like ours in the Philippines they're more concern of their well being instead of the country interest. I for one support an Arms race with America, it is less costly and very advantageous, like Sun Tzu used to say "winning without fighting". We have an industrial advantage and it will lead to scientific innovation and invention. It's one of many were we can overtly challenge the US. With blocs forming we may become an Arsenal of Multipolarity as we increase the Escalatory Dominance NOT only in the first and second Island Chain BUT also in the collective west neighborhood.
okay, maybe let's be a little less dramatic. There is nothing about Philippines that would even pose any concern for PLA.
and let's be real here. The Chinese ambassador said something pretty dumb.
He should've just said US bases in Philippines would seriously destabilize the region and increase the likelihood of a conflict. A conflict over Taiwan would be terrible for all the countries of the region, but especially for one so close to Taiwan. The Marcos administration has seriously acted against China's interest and China will remember this for a long time. Long after Americans forget what happened. And that China reserves the right to protect its interests.
I believe China should make the move on Taiwan province by 2025. while Taiwanese military is still in dissaray and Americans haven't had enough time to completely brainwash and radicalize Taiwanese as they managed with Ukrainians. The status quo in which West (primarily U.S.) is making a mockery out of Chinese territorial integrity and sovereignty by sending delegations to Taiwan province, providing them with arms, discussing trade deals, having military presence on an island and by supporting Taiwanese presence in international organizations etc is unsustainable and cannot be allowed to last. If Lai Ching-te (whose views are even more radical than Tsai's) is elected next year then I believe that efforts to achieve peaceful reunification should be abandonded.
plawolf
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The western MSM might be celebrating and hyping this stupid drama, but from both a practically and strategic POV, the new Philippines bases are essentially a non-issue because they are too small and too far away to matter in a Taiwan or SCS scenario.
The Philippines military is a non-factory for China, and the bases are easily overmatched by just China’s SCS bases, and easily within missile range of those bases.
The only real value in having them is that it creates more targets for China to have to hit with its missiles, and also to add another number to America’s coalition against China.
The very best case scenario for the Americans would be that China wastes resources trying to
conquer the Philippines as well out of rage, to hope to cause the PLA to overextend itself and also to allow the US to paint China as a threat to the wider region. But China is not going to be so stupid. It will erase those US bases and leave the rest of the Philippines alone. If the Philippines military is stupid enough to try to go on the offensive, it will get deleted and China might do some limited punitive actions and just ignore them thereafter.
If anything, for a purely operational POV, it would have been far more beneficial to secretly flip the Philippines and fly recon flights in Philippines airspace using Philippines transponders and give China some hard choices. But by dragging the Philippines so overtly into things, it actually makes it so much easier for China and the PLA if the balloon does go up.
It’s a sign of just have desperate they are getting that adding such a minor power to their ‘side’ is worth such effort and celebrating, especially when they do so openly to score cheap and ultimately meaningless PR points instead of keeping a potential card to play when it actually might make a difference. Position of strength indeed.
The Philippines military is a non-factory for China, and the bases are easily overmatched by just China’s SCS bases, and easily within missile range of those bases.
The only real value in having them is that it creates more targets for China to have to hit with its missiles, and also to add another number to America’s coalition against China.
The very best case scenario for the Americans would be that China wastes resources trying to
conquer the Philippines as well out of rage, to hope to cause the PLA to overextend itself and also to allow the US to paint China as a threat to the wider region. But China is not going to be so stupid. It will erase those US bases and leave the rest of the Philippines alone. If the Philippines military is stupid enough to try to go on the offensive, it will get deleted and China might do some limited punitive actions and just ignore them thereafter.
If anything, for a purely operational POV, it would have been far more beneficial to secretly flip the Philippines and fly recon flights in Philippines airspace using Philippines transponders and give China some hard choices. But by dragging the Philippines so overtly into things, it actually makes it so much easier for China and the PLA if the balloon does go up.
It’s a sign of just have desperate they are getting that adding such a minor power to their ‘side’ is worth such effort and celebrating, especially when they do so openly to score cheap and ultimately meaningless PR points instead of keeping a potential card to play when it actually might make a difference. Position of strength indeed.