China's SCS Strategy Thread

[ACuriousPLAFan]

No they haven't. Indonesia and Vietnam just a few weeks ago agreed on their EEZ zones. Funnily enough, the agreement actually encroaches in the Chinese-claimed SCS

Basically, Vietnam and Indonesia have teamed up and have declared their opposition to China's claims in the SCS by a formally signed document (treaty?)

The battle for SCS has in no way been finished, some could actually say that it is just getting started.
Indonesia-Vietnam together and Philippines involving the Americans in a big escalation

Even more funnily enough, all three of these countries (Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam) have histories of mistreatment, segregation, abuse, enslavement and even genocide against ethnic Chinese on their lands in just the past 500 years. For that, none of these countries have ever received payback i.e. karma which they absolutely deserved for what they did. None.

In fact, I would argue that all of them got off pretty easily, while China is the only one who got seriously bruised, bleeding and broken.

I remember that a couple months ago, someone in this forum said that all the neighbouring countries of China should be thankful and grateful that China is a socialist/communist country and not a fascist country. Had China become a fascist country, all those neighbouring countries wouldn't even exist in one piece today for what they did to the Chinese people in the past.

For that, I wholeheartedly agree.

 

[Jiang ZeminFanboy]

If they push too much (USA coming back to Philippines) , China is going to have one more Island with the land reclamation of Huangyan Island.

 

[SilentObserver]

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This is likely a sign of one the biggest geo political events lately. One that will shape future military events to a large degree. Of course, time will tell more, as usual.

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The 3 proposed bases near Taiwan are in Northern Luzon. China controls Huangyan/Scarborough Shoal which is only 220km from Luzon and 340km from Manilla. They haven't decided to start land reclamation there as has been done on Yongshu/Fiery Cross Reef, Meiji/Mischief Reef, Zhubi islands. This was likely done as an incentive for Philippines to not allow American basing.

Once the Philippines goes ahead with allowing American basing, it is likely that we will see China start land reclamation at Huangyan/Scarborough Shoal and a few other areas.

 

[zhangjim]

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This is likely a sign of one the biggest geo political events lately. One that will shape future military events to a large degree. Of course, time will tell more, as usual.

This is a frustrating thing. Despite all these years of efforts, China's strategic environment has not been improved, and it has even fallen back to the state it was 10 years ago.
Every dog that Americans have is so loyal and reliable that they can eat food from strangers while biting the person who gives it to them.

Many people have shown negative and pessimistic mood. As long as Americans put forward a request, they can make a comprehensive change in a country's policy.This pessimistic view holds that any effort by China to resist the strong power of the United States is meaningless.

Ironically, the panic caused by a balloon to Americans is much greater than that of last year's massive exercise.
I once laughed at the stupid novel of the United States and the Philippines cooperating to catch "Chinese pirates" in last year, but now it seems that this joke is becoming a reality.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

This is a frustrating thing. Despite all these years of efforts, China's strategic environment has not been improved, and it has even fallen back to the state it was 10 years ago.
Every dog that Americans have is so loyal and reliable that they can eat food from strangers while biting the person who gives it to them.

Many people have shown negative and pessimistic mood. As long as Americans put forward a request, they can make a comprehensive change in a country's policy.This pessimistic view holds that any effort by China to resist the strong power of the United States is meaningless.

Ironically, the panic caused by a balloon to Americans is much greater than that of last year's massive exercise.
I once laughed at the stupid novel of the United States and the Philippines cooperating to catch "Chinese pirates" in last year, but now it seems that this joke is becoming a reality.

So it does look like that a major war in the WestPac between China and the US is inevitable in order to resolve this geopolitical problem that China is facing right now?

 

[MortyandRick]

Many people have shown negative and pessimistic mood. As long as Americans put forward a request, they can make a comprehensive change in a country's policy.This pessimistic view holds that any effort by China to resist the strong power of the United States is meaningless

Really? What kind of people show this defeatist attitude? While disappoint in Marcos reign so far, I for one feel china should keep on meeting these challenges head on and interfere more in other counties internal affairs. Don't get mad, get even.

 

[zhangjim]

So it looks like only a major war in the WestPac between China and the US is inevitable in order for China to solve this problem?

Some people do think so.
So there will never be "the best time". Americans are not fools. They can't be unresponsive.

This has fallen into a serious paradox: to defeat the United States, you must expand your power, but to expand your power, you must defeat the United States first.

Really? What kind of people show this defeatist attitude? While disappoint in Marcos reign so far, I for one feel china should keep on meeting these challenges head on and interfere more in other counties internal affairs. Don't get mad, get even.

When the news of the Philippines providing bases to the Americans was broadcast, someone compared the news of the agreement reached between China and the Philippines a month ago. It was extremely ironic. All the people's valuable assets were thrown into the water.
You have to understand that for a whole month the Chinese media has been promoting the idea that "Filipinos will not follow the US" and it turns out we are all fucking clowns.
Before showing real power, others will only think that our weapons are scrap iron in front of Americans.
This means that although the path of "imperialism" is hateful, this world full of snobs will force us to do so.

 

[Overbom]

someone compared the news of the agreement reached between China and the Philippines a month ago. It was extremely ironic.

You shouldn't listen to these people. Anyone with even a little of diplomatic knowledge would have told you these China-Philippines agreements were irrelevant strategically.
What's a strategic agreement and what's not is very easy to distinguish if you are not blinded by wishful dreaming or propaganda.

If me, a random internet user, could see that the agreements were of garbage-level, then what's Global Times' excuse, propaganda or stupidity?

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China-Philippines ties enter ‘new golden age,’ cooperation to be greatly enhanced

Published: Jan 04, 2023 11:48 PM

Chinese President Xi Jinping met visiting Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. in Beijing on Wednesday, with both sides expressing great hope, confidence and determination to further develop bilateral relations to a higher level. Chinese experts said the successful visit proves there is little room for outside forces like the US to meddle in the South China Sea situation and interrupt the two countries' efforts to promote common development.

Xu Liping, director of the Center for Southeast Asian Studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times on Wednesday that "the state visit by Marcos is a trip to initiate a 'new golden age' for the China-Philippines relations."

Today, since the US has very limited strength and influence to offer concrete benefits to seduce regional countries to serve its hegemonic strategy, the chance of Washington interrupting the South China Sea issue is getting less and less, analysts said.

Lmao

 

[duskseeker]

The other question is what will other ASEAN member states do now that the US is gonna back the Philippines against their claims? Malaysia still haven't paid the 8 trillion dollar fine on Sabah. and the Philippines threatened to get their american daddy into the mix

 

[Overbom]

The other question is what will other ASEAN member states do now that the US is gonna back the Philippines against their claims? Malaysia still haven't paid the 8 trillion dollar fine on Sabah. and the Philippines threatened to get their american daddy into the mix

The US isn't stupid. The US will take action to support Philippines only against China. The US doesnt need to do anything basically, ASEAN by themselves will come to it.

Its in their national interest for them to go to daddy US to fend off Chinese pressure on SCS. Biden can sit back and chill on his office while ASEAN will be knocking on his door to request US assistance