China's SCS Strategy Thread

[ansy1968]

Indeed, and in the coming decades, economic development and other social welfare metrics will take more of precedent than some perceived threat or over some small islands far off the coast. We're now just seeing the beginning of the threat posed by climate change compounded with Covid disruption, like crop failures, increasing drought, water and food shortages, increasing periods of deadly "wet bulb" temperatures.

The only problem I have with Duterte is his appointment of 3 former Arroyo official in 3 key cabinet position, Health, Agriculture and Energy. Their ineptness and corruption had blemish Duterte legacy and they had established a cordon sanitaire around him during the pandemic. Why I bring these, we are an Agrarian country BUT we import most of our food stuff abroad, now with gas price hitting the roof, the production input will increase and we need to plan ahead as Malampaya will be emptied by 2027.

China should take these variables in account for their strategies in the future, leave no opportunity arising from tragedy to waste. But also look after themselves, to reduce or prevent the negative effects climate change can bring.

Bro to have TOTAL influence they have to co-opt the entire oligarch elite, will they do that? If you studied our history the seamless transition of power from the Spaniard to the American are due to accommodating these elite. Now there is a way for China to achieved that by signing a COC and a joint oil exploration with MVP in SCS. It will split the oligarch rank as MVP is a major proponent of anti China crusade as a major funder and most of those key people in the movement are his former employee like Del Rosario.

Also it sucks for me, as I live in PH. The weather lately has been getting really hot, and I fear for what's to come this year's summer, and the hell that might be brought by El Niño next year. Food and gas prices has gone up as well.

@Coalescence Really bro, then Mabuhay! at least I have a Kababayan with me here in SDF, hehehe. @Bellum_Romanum is a fellow Filipino but he lives abroad.

 

[Coalescence]

I'm not well versed in PH politics but I do agree that China needs to be able to win the hearts of the elites within a country if they want any successful long-term relations with a country.

One of the things that Western news talks about is the political corruption and bribery that comes with BRI, but I think this might be intentional as you can see with countries China heavily invested in has elites giving her the good word, like Egypt and Africa. So I think China could expand their influence in not only PH but also in ASEAN, through BRI projects and other financial assistance. But in the case of PH, it may take a while to uproot the influence US has over the elites. As long as China keeps trying and putting resources into it, they may succeed to a certain degree and gain a chance to further consolidate gains in the future.

Also, as you pointed out:

now with gas price hitting the roof, the production input will increase and we need to plan ahead as Malampaya will be emptied by 2027.

Now there is a way for China to achieved that by signing a COC and a joint oil exploration with MVP in SCS.

This is one of many opportunities China should take and more will come to the future as EROEI of the current oil and gas well falls, and sweet spots become more and more scarce. Nations in the future will fight over these resources, forming limited alliance or cooperation to make it worth for both parties, or to drive out the competition. Taking this opportunity however, requires that China maintain their naval influence over that region, and keep the pressure just enough that they don't look to US for help but make the option of working with them more lucrative and attractive than working with US.

@Coalescence Really bro, then Mabuhay! at least I have a Kababayan with me here in SDF, hehehe. @Bellum_Romanum is a fellow Filipino but he lives abroad.

Yup, I was born and have lived here for a long time, but I don't consider myself a Filipino, especially when my Filipino is terrible and being oblivious to what is happening within this country

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

It looks like the US has found some political prostitutes to do its bidding

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There's plenty of them in the Philippine congress. I mean, politicians of all nationalities all love $$ after all, the Americans are doling out the $$ from the anti-China bill that was recently passed, and signed by Darth Sidious a.k.a. Biden.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

I'm not well versed in PH politics but I do agree that China needs to be able to win the hearts of the elites within a country if they want any successful long-term relations with a country.

One of the things that Western news talks about is the political corruption and bribery that comes with BRI, but I think this might be intentional as you can see with countries China heavily invested in has elites giving her the good word, like Egypt and Africa. So I think China could expand their influence in not only PH but also in ASEAN, through BRI projects and other financial assistance. But in the case of PH, it may take a while to uproot the influence US has over the elites. As long as China keeps trying and putting resources into it, they may succeed to a certain degree and gain a chance to further consolidate gains in the future.

Also, as you pointed out:


This is one of many opportunities China should take and more will come to the future as EROEI of the current oil and gas well falls, and sweet spots become more and more scarce. Nations in the future will fight over these resources, forming limited alliance or cooperation to make it worth for both parties, or to drive out the competition. Taking this opportunity however, requires that China maintain their naval influence over that region, and keep the pressure just enough that they don't look to US for help but make the option of working with them more lucrative and attractive than working with US.

Yup, I was born and have lived here for a long time, but I don't consider myself a Filipino, especially when my Filipino is terrible and being oblivious to what is happening within this country

Yup, I was born and have lived here for a long time, but I don't consider myself a Filipino, especially when my Filipino is terrible and being oblivious to what is happening within this country

Which is one of the reasons why some Filipinos never see or accept Chinese Filipinos as one of them because we fail at times to integrate ourselves to the local culture. The fact that some of the most profitable, and successful businesses, and business people are or Chinese descent further adds the alienation. The Chinese diaspora success in ASEAN countries aren't celebrated openly, the success itself has been used by sick politicians to inflame deep seated angst, envy, and frustrations from the vast majority of locals whose economic lives suffered.

But what most of the folks don't know like in the case of the Filipinos don't realize is that Chinese people's successes in the Philippines didn't come at the expense of the Filipinos or were subsidized by the Philippine government. That most of the successful Chinese-Filipino business people like Henry Sy came from a very poor background, and that the reason(s) why Chinese came to the Philippines was when China was severely weakened, impoverished, through the collapse of the last imperial dynasty of China. Success didn't come easy, it wasn't given, and that Chinese folks coalesced together formed China Bank (Philippines) to raise capital for businesses since the Philippine government could never provide them any meaningful assistance.

Part of the struggle is also education, which was, and is very western centric, not to mention selective teachings of history. I mean for frank sake, the historical educational foundation being taught to young students is that the Philippines came into existence when Magellan "discovered" the Philippines in 1521 nonsense. The contributions of Chinese in the country has been relegated to anecdotal mentions, and the Chinese pirate who once dared to attack their colonizer (Spaniards) but was portrayed as an attack to the Philippines. See how schizophrenic that is.

 

[Coalescence]

Which is one of the reasons why some Filipinos never see or accept Chinese Filipinos as one of them because we fail at times to integrate ourselves to the local culture. The fact that some of the most profitable, and successful businesses, and business people are or Chinese descent further adds the alienation. The Chinese diaspora success in ASEAN countries aren't celebrated openly, the success itself has been used by sick politicians to inflame deep seated angst, envy, and frustrations from the vast majority of locals whose economic lives suffered.

Agreed, but I don't think this problem is solvable by individuals or by the Chinese diaspora group alone. The native Filipino still see us as Chinese, even if we tried hard to integrate ourselves. When they see our face or the language we speak, they'll assume that we're Chinese by default.

This is a problem that is pervasive in the US as well, where even if you were born in the US and lived your entire life there, speak only English and celebrate American culture. You're still a Chinese in their eyes, because of the looks or mannerism, and get subjected to generalizations and hate crimes.

China manages to avoid this problem somewhat because of their affirmative action. They officially recognize their ethnic minorities' culture, holidays and language, and push the idea that they are Chinese.

So I think if they want Chinese diaspora to integrate better into their society, the government can pursue similar actions like officially recognizing Chinese holidays, promoting wider use of the Chinese language, normalizing the looks of Chinese ethnicity as Filipino, and promoting cultural exchange programs.

Lastly, thinking about examples of other countries promoting integration of Chinese Diaspora, maybe Singapore is a good example? but I'm not that knowledgeable what happens in Singapore.

 

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[duncanidaho]

There's plenty of them in the Philippine congress. I mean, politicians of all nationalities all love $$ after all, the Americans are doling out the $$ from the anti-China bill that was recently passed, and signed by Darth Sidious a.k.a. Biden.

You give Biden too much credits, he is way more like Jar Jar Bings.

 

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[PhSt]

@ansy1968
In Malaysia there is a party that represents Ethnic Chinese interests in the country's political landscape, the political party is called the Malaysian Chinese association. When I last checked, it seems the party only 4 seats in the Malaysian upper house and 2 seats in the lower house, its not much representation but at least having a presence in politics ensures that Malaysian Chinese people's sentiments and positions concerning policies and laws are heard throughout Malaysia.

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I mentioned about the MCA because I was going to ask about your opinion about the possibility of forming a political party in the PH that serves a similar function? From what I gathered from different sources, about 5% of the Philippine population are pure ethnic Chinese while as much as 22% have Chinese descent. In my opinion, the formation of a Chinese political party in the PH will help galvanize Filipino Chinese unity and at the same time empower Filipino Chinese to participate more in crafting future laws and policies in the country instead of being on the sidelines. If the party evolves to become a powerful and influential voting block, then it will prove useful to thwart any American sponsored policies that seek to damage relations between the PH and China.

 

[ansy1968]

@ansy1968
In Malaysia there is a party that represents Ethnic Chinese interests in the country's political landscape, the political party is called the Malaysian Chinese association. When I last checked, it seems the party only 4 seats in the Malaysian upper house and 2 seats in the lower house, its not much representation but at least having a presence in politics ensures that Malaysian Chinese people's sentiments and positions concerning policies and laws are heard throughout Malaysia.

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I mentioned about the MCA because I was going to ask about your opinion about the possibility of forming a political party in the PH that serves a similar function? From what I gathered from different sources, about 5% of the Philippine population are pure ethnic Chinese while as much as 22% have Chinese descent. In my opinion, the formation of a Chinese political party in the PH will help galvanize Filipino Chinese unity and at the same time empower Filipino Chinese to participate more in crafting future laws and policies in the country instead of being on the sidelines. If the party evolves to become a powerful and influential voting block, then it will prove useful to thwart any American sponsored policies that seek to damage relations between the PH and China.

@PhSt Bro the Chinese mestiso are the elite and many of them are in office, these 3th 4th or 5th generation have their eastern value replace and embrace the Western one. Bro Marcos and the Aquinos are an example. I think you have to put a distinction between a Hua Qiao and a Chinese mestiso, the Taipans are a true Hua Qiao they're entrepreneurs , while the Chinese mestiso are landed elites the oligarch. The former create jobs and industrialized the Philippine, the latter exploit the farmers and enter public office to protect their land and their business venture through legislation and economic policy.