how come it turned out to be a Pyrrhic Victory?
China's SCS Strategy Thread
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@duskseeker bro we lost an actual territory for a piece of toilet paper.
solarz
Brigadier
I don't think the two are directly related, China maritime law enforcement took control of Huangyan Island after the stand off with Gregorio del Pilar.
I think the lesson here for the Philippines is don't confront China with military force. China responds to diplomacy with diplomacy, and military threats with (greater) military force.
It goes to show how this d...b bleep of a politician is just spewing utter stupidity, treating his target audience as nothing but idiots and sheeps. Most of the news regarding the SCS issues are being reported in a black and white issue without ever making an attempt to inform their public that there are other ASEAN claimant countries in the SCS and that includes the above countries the d...b donkey mentioned.
When one is operating on misplaced confidence because it assumed that U.S. military primacy will always trumps anything China has you'll inevitably get this level of foot in mouth disease exhibited by a supposed learned individual.
@solarz Sir Scarborough was our traditional fishing ground, when Huangyan incident happen instead of negotiating bilaterally with China, Carpio suggested and urge President Aquino for an International Arbitration. We won but the ruling nullify our claim on Scarborough shoal which stated that all claimant had the right to fish on that shoal. Now an arbitration need the two party to participate, China refuse so instead of compelling the Chinese we had a useless piece of paper with no enforcement power, with Vietnam and Malaysia the other two claimant reaping the benefit.
Sir that is what Duterte is doing, The Huangyan incident had the hallmark of American involvement lead by Kurt Campbell the author of Pivot to Asia. There is a lot of question needed to be ask, who authorized the usage of Gregorio del Pilar (by the way that vessel a former US coast guard was recently delivered) a grey ship to confront the Chinese. During the stand off who ordered the Navy vessel withdrawal and finally where is the guarantee of support from the US. All those embarrassing question led to the filling of the arbitration case to cover up the incompetent handling of the crisis.
solarz
Brigadier
Are Filipino vessels still able to fish in those shoals today?
But the Philippines think -- the howling American puppets -- that it can't and shouldn't back down against Chinese military confrontation because it assumed that since America is their Daddy and treaty ally, it'll come to it's defense regardless of how it conducts itself with respect to their claims or dispute in the SCS. That's the reason or one of the strong reasons why there are loud and persistent voices within the Philippines who loves to yak and open their big mouth about confronting China.
But if their people know the absurd reality and the disproportionate level of powe China has over the archipelago and knowing that the U.S. can't and will not die for them unless it wants the world to end then and only then these antagonistic voices along with their undue influence can end into irrelevance.
There's strong element of Filipinos that sees themselves and their history as some kind of a warrior race, I don't really have a clue where they got this impression from since they have never managed to pummel their colonizers to the point of surrender the country because of their martial prowess. As far as I know the historical figure they love to invoke as a sign of their martial prowess is Lapu-Lapu an indigenous Chieftain that killed the Portuguese explorer (Ferdinand Magellan) who then sought and was granted an expedition from Spain who's original destination was more than likely to sail to India @ansy1968 has to correct me on this one. But instead landed into one of the archipelago's island that was Mactan, Cebu.
@solarz during Aquino term NO, under Duterte YES , BUT under the watchful eye of the Chinese coast guard. The Chinese had deployed the vessel inside the lagoon protecting it from over fishing. While the Filipinos , Vietnamese, the Chinese and Malaysia fisherman fish outside the shoal.
They will probably try to encourage their fishermen to test the waters beyond what's being practice at the moment per @ansy1968 comment. That's if and when one of the very pro-America candidates win the next presidential election. Plus, they will likely also request to station the missile silos that U.S. is shopping around ASEAN countries. But such a scenario is highly unlikely to happen and occur since the leading candidates in both the Presidency and V.P. slots are essentially in line with Dutertes geopolitical outlook, although that could change in the horizon since Marcos had a strong connection with the American government in the past granting his father, the late former President asylum in Hawaii when he was unceremoniously ousted from power.
solarz
Brigadier
That's good to hear, and I think that should be the way forward.
With so many claimants resulting in loose law enforcement, the SCS has long been in danger of overfishing.