China's SCS Strategy Thread

Sardaukar20

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This happens on an individual level. It is really fascinating how it is effecting entire organisations and institutions.

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Interesting. First time hearing about this Dunning-Kruger effect. Though I would personally prefer to rephrase 'effect' to mental disorder. Good! Finally I now know a name for this disease.

In the US and India, its an epidemic on a crisis level.That's why we see keep seeing fools like Tsavo Lion and tallgamer. That's why they can elect people like Donald Trump and Modi into office.
 

manqiangrexue

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in this context, China has a golden opportunity to show that she's isn't a colonizer & hypocrite by offering to conduct a referendum with her observers,
We don't need this. Superpowers rise by power, not other's approval.
accepting the results. Just because the majority of people in the PRC consider Taiwan as part of China, it doesn't give them the right to force it to become
No, the land belongs to China and no squatters will own it. The people can leave if they choose but the land is Chinese.
1. The same with SCS islands & waters that r closer to other claimants. If 3 men want to rape 2 girls & then do it, it's still a gang rape. So, it comes down to "might makes right". Who r they kidding?
Who are YOU kidding? Gang rape?? And with specific numbers too! 3 guys 2 girls, eh? What combination of drugs have you taken tonight?
The International court made its ruling, & it's not in China's favor.
No international court rules over China's territory. Only Chinese court has jurisdiction.
Now dozens of nations r going to assist each other in putting pressure on PRC there.
Lip pressure not real pressure. Not even much lip pressure really. We'll keep what we've got and keep building, thanks, no cheddar.
that's besides the point. China wants to protect her S. coast & SLOCs in the SCS at the expense of others' EEZs with the perceived ability to threaten that waterway.
No, those are Chinese waters and China's EEZ. Those nations want to claim them at China's expense. They are being thwarted, the whole lot of them USA included.
She may later find that she bit more than she can chew.
No, it is the Western nations doing the useless chicken dance as they watch China build because they have found that they have bitten off more than they can chew by challenging China.
 
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China has a golden opportunity to show that she's isn't a colonizer & hypocrite by offering to conduct a referendum with her observers, accepting the results
if self determination can be be applied in this way irrespective of sovereign borders, why is Catalonia still part of spain and why is the CSA still part of the USA?
International court made its ruling
the court had no jurisdiction.
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, & they were not altered & enlarged in any way
SO WHAT? how does alteration change the military threat it poses? you're getting hilariously desperate arguing that means are more significant then ends
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. In 1952, the 11-dash line became the nine-dash line when in a moment of Communist camaraderie with Vietnam, Mao gave up China’s claims over the Gulf of Tonkin. ..Marina Tsirbas from the Australian National University
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that the nine-dash line is a “maximalist claim to sovereignty and control over all of the features, land, water, and seabed within the area bounded by the nine-dash line. This is indeed what many states fear.
again your ignorance shows itself, because the 2 dashes that were removed does not involve the south china sea at all, so nothing changed. and you still cannot explain why didnt any country object to the nine dashes in the south china sea when it was first published before the communist revolution, and why is taiwan allowed to carry on using it.
 

Tsavo Lion

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LOLOL There is nothing illegal if you have the military power to back it up.
faulty logic: the Germans & Japanese were using mil. power to commit war their crimes & crimes against humanity, but ended up in tribunals, with many executed.
China built those islands, it will use them and as its military becomes more powerful it will be increasingly assertive in those waters. Only the US dares pose a real challenge; the rest are there to pretend to the US that they're chipping in.
I have bad news for u: the Japanese r deadly serious; so r the British, not to mention Australia. If the US r committed, so will they.
Yeah, not bad for conquered people LOLOL That's like saying that's pretty fast running for a guy with 1 leg. Once again, that's a coping mechanism, not real pride which comes from national power like China.
u want to feel proud standing up to the West after a century of humiliation. If Chinese were really that smart, they would keep their giant junks, sail around the world, colonize Australia, Africa &/ Americas & not fight each other as much as they did- perhaps then they wouldn't be beaten Europeans, Manchus & Japanese.
We use it to become the strongest country in the world and don't care if you think it is misused.
then China needs to stop saying that it doesn't want to dominate any1 & only wants to foster cooperation & trade among all nations. Others see it as a smoke screen to hide desire to impose her own rule & new world order. The Mongols, Brits, Germans, Japanese, the USSR & USA tried but failed, so will China.
Leave where? Kill whom? It's nonsense. After the island is taken, those who repent and embrace CCP rule will be forgiven.
repeating the same thing won't make it any more valid. they may pretend to submit but still plot to rebel. Recall ur own anti-Mongol/Manchu/Japanese struggles.
And really, the island will not be destroyed anyway; at worst, the military will be defeated and the island taken over.
1st u'll destroy it's cities, ports & airports, then u'll need to rebuild them. those u bring/allow to come from the mainland to replace lost population may later demand their own independence, & the cycle will repeat.

The vast majority of the people will still be alive and will simply adjust to new rule, which normal civilians will.
if things can go wrong, they will- don't count on good outcome.
China is on the UN's permanent security council as is Russia.
the UN may be reformed to reflect new reality.
Like I said, Western nations only fight small weak foes like those. They never imagined that China would stand in Korea and beat the US back to the South. In none of those instances was there ever a chance of a nuclear confrontation.
that was before; now they r gearing up for a showdown, as they did in WW2.
LOLOL Ok ok, so in your imaginary world, all horses trump other zodiac signs in debates and skill comes in secondary after the zodiac signs have taken effect, right?
people of my sign have this ability, knowledge isn't a practical skill.
ur logic stinks!
That's what you've been doing the entire time. In actuality, you don't answer because even you know you are wrong.
that's in ur subjective judgement.
Doesn't matter if you mind or not; it will happen anyway.
if so, don't bring it up what I mind or not.

If you don't want to be a part of it, you better mind where you stay.
I don't need ur instructions what to do.
You're seeing it with beer goggles from all sides. You just can't seem to make sense toggling from incorrect analysis to nonsensical imaginary scenerios like North Korean nukes vs China.
if u can't handle that analogy avoid attacking my sanity, I'm sorry for u!
Well then you need to understand what a last resort means. It means the last resort to defend against anhiliation and total defeat, not the last resort to protect a small proxy from falling.
to them, it's as bad as total defeat- looseing ROC & then Japan will entail reduction to natural size of N. America.
China will outgrow them and with its new powers will become the hegemon of Asia and they will not dare start a nuclear war to prevent it. They will watch, try to compete, fail, and accept it like they accept every Chinese advance.
wishful thinking of imperial grandeur.
You must have lost your mind asking such a nonsensical random racist question in the middle of a debate about the SCS. And right after you said you don't want to waste time going off topic.
there's nothing racist, it's a cultural question; OT is fine as long as it gets too far & wastes too much time.
Helpless flailing and theatrics as usual against China's real gains.
like Japan, China tried to Westernize/catch up/learn from the West, but lost a lot of her own heritage & culture in the process, besides Ms of people. But incidentally, Taiwan preserved it.
Keep on shooting urself in the foot.
 

Tsavo Lion

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We don't need this. Superpowers rise by power, not other's approval.
the bigger they r, harder they fall.
No, the land belongs to China and no squatters will own it. The people can leave if they choose but the land is Chinese.
if the CCP is so patriotic, it can abdicate from power, then the KMT will return Taiwan to mainland China, & with a lot less bloodshed.
Who are YOU kidding? Gang rape?? And with specific numbers too! 3 guys 2 girls, eh?
regardless the #s, an attack, even by majority, is a crime, worse than 1 on 1.
No international court rules over China's territory. Only Chinese court has jurisdiction.
that territory was illegally declared as being Chinese. There is now universal jurisdiction; if China is part of international system, she can't just reject it & expect any respect. If she isn't, she should just leave the UNSC.

Lip pressure not real pressure.
they'll apply mil. &/ economic pressure.
No, those are Chinese waters and China's EEZ.
arbitrarily declared with no historical basis. it's like if Portuguese declared that Australia is theirs since they r the 1st Europeans who sighted & landed on it; the same with Englishman Francis Drake in California. Perhaps china should also claim N. America & Australia, since ancient Chinese visited both thousands of years ago, leaving artifacts & records?
No, it is the Western nations doing the useless chicken dance as they watch China build because they have found that they have bitten off more than they can chew by challenging China.
false self-pride. it's not over yet! fortunes, like everything else, change, & besides, they haven't really challenged China yet.
 

Gatekeeper

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The International court made its ruling, & it's not in China's favor. Now dozens of nations r going to assist each other in putting pressure on PRC there.

Oh wise one, please tell us which international court made the ruling? I hope you're not referring to the kangorro court of arbitration!
 

manqiangrexue

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faulty logic: the Germans & Japanese were using mil. power to commit war their crimes & crimes against humanity, but ended up in tribunals, with many executed.
My faulty logic? I said that nothing is illegal if you have the military power and you just showed me 2 countries that were militarily defeated. That proves me right or wrong? This is a really low IQ mistake on your part. You're embarassing the horses; they'll disown you LOL
I have bad news for u: the Japanese r deadly serious; so r the British, not to mention Australia. If the US r committed, so will they.
I don't care for your imaginary news. These countries are not serious and will commit if they feel they can win and win without sacrifice. The Brits and Aussies are too far to really care and the Japanese bow to whomever is the most powerful. If the US thinks it can rely on others to hold its own hegemony, it will fall thinking it is stepping on a rock but actually stepping on mud.
u want to feel proud standing up to the West after a century of humiliation. If Chinese were really that smart, they would keep their giant junks, sail around the world, colonize Australia, Africa &/ Americas & not fight each other as much as they did-
Sail around the world colonizing countries.... are you living in the modern world or saying that China should have done this hundreds of years ago? This is drivel with no application to the modern world just like what you normally write.
perhaps then they wouldn't be beaten Europeans, Manchus & Japanese.
Hindsight's 20/20, eh? But worthless as with all of your opinions.
then China needs to stop saying that it doesn't want to dominate any1 & only wants to foster cooperation & trade among all nations. Others see it as a smoke screen to hide desire to impose her own rule & new world order. The Mongols, Brits, Germans, Japanese, the USSR & USA tried but failed, so will China.
I said become the strongest nation; I didn't say rule the whole world. Your reading comprehension problems are a drag on this discussion.
repeating the same thing won't make it any more valid.
If I repeat something, it's because you brought up the same old defeated point again, so I will repeat the point that defeated it.
they may pretend to submit but still plot to rebel.
First of all, that's fine. Initially, it's expected to be rocky with some terrorism but nowhere near the chaos in the US. Rebel? We will be too strong for it, by far.
Recall ur own anti-Mongol/Manchu/Japanese struggles.
This is what happens when a small country at the prime of its power temporarily captures a large country in a rut. The successes of small countries are temporary, as are the failures of large countries.
1st u'll destroy it's cities, ports & airports, then u'll need to rebuild them.
Why cities? Just military bases. Airports and ship ports captured. Anything that is broken down can easily be rebuilt; it is China's specialty.
those u bring/allow to come from the mainland to replace lost population may later demand their own independence, & the cycle will repeat.
You dream. By that logic, every island, Hawaii, Guam, Hainan, etc... all have rebellion risk. No, as long as the government rules over it, it will stabilize and be completely absorbed.
if things can go wrong, they will- don't count on good outcome.
The only thing that will go wrong is for the US if they try to intervene. I count on a good outcome always for China because in my lifetime, the CCP has always delivered it against the hapless hopes of western powers.
the UN may be reformed to reflect new reality.
LOLOL Dream on. When you lose, just say it might change LOL. This is a horse's debate skill???
that was before; now they r gearing up for a showdown, as they did in WW2.
No, that's now. There is currently no example of a Western nation daring to fight a powerful or nuclear opponent. "There's a first for everything," is literally the best you can come up with.
people of my sign have this ability,
Then why don't you have it? You just say wrong things and get beaten everywhere here. Are you sure you're a horse? Is it the ADHD?
knowledge isn't a practical skill.
No, but you still need it to debate and you don't have it... nor do you have the skill. I'm not the only one with this opinion, but you're the only one clinging to zodiac readings.
ur logic stinks!
There is no logic in superstition; if it stinks, it's because that's what your zodiac reading is worth.
that's in ur subjective judgement.
And everyone elses' too.
if so, don't bring it up what I mind or not.
You have an English problem. I said, "Mind where you live," which means if you won't want the PRC to impose anything on you then be careful where you live. Its does not mean I care what you mind or don't mind.
I don't need ur instructions what to do.
Neither do I need yours telling me to be humble and wait for praise. The difference is, you were hoping to stay away from the PRC's influence, so if you don't heed my words and you choose wrong, for example Hong Kong, you will be in for a lot of suffering. Yours, not mine. I don't care how you end up.
 
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manqiangrexue

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if u can't handle that analogy avoid attacking my sanity,
No, anyone who asks if China can handle North Korea's nukes is either ignorant or insane.
I'm sorry for u!
No, you're just sorry.
to them, it's as bad as total defeat
Then they will suffer it and they can choose if they would like to have MAD with China. But honestly, you don't speak for them. None of them care to die in this.
- looseing ROC & then Japan will entail reduction to natural size of N. America.
Loosing the ROC, and then Japan, which China is not threatening to take... would reduce the size of North America? And you want people to think you're sane? Donald Trump made more sense than you when he though the moon is a part of Mars.
wishful thinking of imperial grandeur.
Wishful thinking? You say that to someone else when you conjure nonsensical conflicts all over the world to create an imaginary situation bad for China? In history, China has achieved much against the opposition of Japan and the US. Now, it is growing and expanding against their wishes. China is more and more assertive, against their wishes, and the natural next step is that they resign themselves to a dominant China in the region when they can no longer hold the pressure of China's faster growth. You make wishful thinking; I make logical predictions.
there's nothing racist, it's a cultural question; OT is fine as long as it gets too far & wastes too much time.
It's psychotic to ask it.
like Japan, China tried to Westernize/catch up/learn from the West, but lost a lot of her own heritage & culture in the process, besides Ms of people. But incidentally, Taiwan preserved it.
This is not a response to what I wrote. The horse cannot run straight... It's defective. Chinese culture can evolve and become stronger. There is no prize for being ancient and traditional, only one for being strong. The PRC has it; the ROC has not.
Keep on shooting urself in the foot.
By becoming stronger? OK. You might be confused whose foot is in that boot.
the bigger they r, harder they fall.
By that logic, small countries should be the most powerful.
if the CCP is so patriotic, it can abdicate from power, then the KMT will return Taiwan to mainland China, & with a lot less bloodshed.
Don't need a dog of the west running China. The KMT has no pride; it wished to side with the US because it did not believe in the power of Chinese people to stand. The CCP believed it, so it ruled China and led its rise. They are the only government that the Chinese people trust to lead China to glory.
regardless the #s, an attack, even by majority, is a crime, worse than 1 on 1.
It's not any one number; it's the total nonsense of the failed analogy. The numbers just make it funnier.
that territory was illegally declared as being Chinese. There is now universal jurisdiction; if China is part of international system, she can't just reject it & expect any respect. If she isn't, she should just leave the UNSC.
Well China just declared it, is holding onto it, and and expanding it. Nobody can do anything about it. Respect comes with power, not by giving things up. By the way, the British actually participated in a case acknowledging the power of that court (which China declined because we don't acknowledge it) and when it declared that the UK should return the Chagos islands to Mauritius, the Brits also flipped the finger and said no. China's not the only one.
they'll apply mil. &/ economic pressure.
Not feelin' it so far. Is it coming? Is China expected to give something up? LOL There is literally 0% chance that you will not be disappointed.
arbitrarily declared with no historical basis. it's like if Portuguese declared that Australia is theirs since they r the 1st Europeans who sighted & landed on it; the same with Englishman Francis Drake in California. Perhaps china should also claim N. America & Australia, since ancient Chinese visited both thousands of years ago, leaving artifacts & records?
It is Chinese territory; China's decalartion is all that is needed and all that counts.
false self-pride.
No, the pride is real with China, unlike the Native Americans you brought up.
it's not over yet!
Oh, I know. China's expanding even more.
fortunes, like everything else, change
Yes, America can go from confident hegemon to nervous guy asking for everyone's help because he knows he can't beat China.
, & besides, they haven't really challenged China yet.
Because they can't. They'd better do it soon, because at the rate China's growing, it looks worse by the day for anyone hoping to challenge China.
 
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OMG! Guys. Here it is in its full glory. I did try to help you by suggesting I hope it's not the kangaroo court of arbitration.

But alas, no you reproduced it in its full glory. I think someone here earlier say you're ignorant of the fact. And now i know what he meant.

If you don't know this is not a court of any standing, nor it's decision is binding to any parties involved. Parties do not have to part take in this kangaroo court. As China did. "Judges" were selected from western nations with Japanese as head judge.

And best of all, US is not even signatory of this said "court".

And yet, you see fit to use it here to argue about China being illegal in its claim based on this.

Gee, Dunning-Kruger effect indeed
 
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