China's SCS Strategy Thread

Blackstone

Brigadier
Leaders of Japan and Philippines met in Tokyo and called for "rule of law" to settle regional disputes. The problem, is everyone wants its interpretation of rule of law to apply, but not the other guy's. Meanwhile, the arguments go round and round, ending up where they started.

The only thing that's clear out of all the SCS and ECS discord is no solution is possible without the inclusion of both the US and China; not the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) that excludes China, not the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) that excludes the US, and not any form of regional security pact that excludes either party.

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Japan and the Philippines on Tuesday jointly stressed the need to use "the rule of law" to solve regional disputes, at a time when both countries are embroiled in separate rows with China.

The comments, which came during a one-day trip to Tokyo by Philippine President Benigno Aquino, highlight how regional neighbours are forging alliances to counter an increasingly muscular Beijing as it presses its influence in nearby waters.

Tokyo and Manila, former World War II enemies, have been drawn closer in recent years as they have tackled their parallel disputes with China.

"In the face of the regional situation becoming severe, both nations are closely coordinating," Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told reporters in a joint news conference after a summit with Aquino.

"I reaffirmed with President Aquino today the significance of... the rule of law," Japan's conservative premier added.

Aquino also said his visit to Japan was focusing on "the challenge of safeguarding our regional security by advancing the rule of law to protect our global and regional common interest."

Abe has repeatedly called for the rule of law to be upheld in the region as tensions simmer over territorial disputes, involving China and some Southeast Asian states around the South China Sea as well as between Tokyo and Beijing in the East China Sea.

Beijing claims almost all of the South China Sea, even waters approaching the shores of neighbouring countries, and has become more aggressive in enforcing what it says are its historical rights.

When Abe visited Manila in July last year, he pledged Japan's help in strengthening the Philippines' maritime defence capabilities.

Part of that was a promise of 10 patrol boats for the Philippines' poorly-equipped coast guard, which is on the front line of Manila's spat with China.

The Philippines has lodged repeated protests over China's growing military and civilian presence on islands and in waters within what it considers its exclusive economic zone.

Meanwhile, relations between Japan and China have plummeted over their competing claims to the Japanese-controlled Senkaku islands in the East China Sea.

Later in the day, Aquino will move to the western Japanese city of Hiroshima to attend a conference on a decades-long Islamic insurgency in the south of the country, as it seeks to implement a peace pact with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front signed this year.

Japan hosted secret talks between Aquino and MILF leader Murad Ebrahim in 2011, which later became recognised as a key moment in igniting the peace push.

Abe told the conference: "Japan will continue to provide support so that peace can be maintained."
 

mao_jr

Banned Idiot
China will probably ramp up the production of this type of Tug Boat Bin Hai 285, they are particularly destructive against Vietnamese ships even metal hulled like the Vietnamese fishery surveillance ship.

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no_name

Colonel
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China for the first time released map in which the SCS is no longer shown in a separate corner.
 

Doombreed

Junior Member
Nice ten dashed line. Without getting into haram discussions. You have to say it's pretty audacious. Remember, these are not EEZs. They are territorial waters.
 

Janiz

Senior Member
So it's normal for them not to include the border between DPRK and ROK? I know Chinese complex and obsession with 'vassal states' but that goes a little too far in my opinion.
 

Doombreed

Junior Member
So it's normal for them not to include the border between DPRK and ROK? I know Chinese complex and obsession with 'vassal states' but that goes a little too far in my opinion.

Technically DPRK and ROK are still at war. You don't draw the Syrian borders with the Rebel areas as seperate do you? Well, not yet anyway.

Of cause I say this with my tongue firmly in my cheek.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Nice ten dashed line. Without getting into haram discussions. You have to say it's pretty audacious. Remember, these are not EEZs. They are territorial waters.

How could China possibly claim about 90% of SCS water as sovereign territory? 12 nautical miles around all land features and 200 miles EEZ I get, but sovereignty over vast spans of the sea itself is unsupportable by tradition or law. It's fair for China to argue of historical ownership of islands, but 'blue national soil' is a hundred bridges too far.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
How could China possibly claim about 90% of SCS water as sovereign territory? 12 nautical miles around all land features and 200 miles EEZ I get, but sovereignty over vast spans of the sea itself is unsupportable by tradition or law. It's fair for China to argue of historical ownership of islands, but 'blue national soil' is a hundred bridges too far.

I thought it's has been mention many times that it's all the islands inside the dash lines that are China's claim not the water itself. A lot of those islands are small and hard to see on a map from that scale.
 

Doombreed

Junior Member
How could China possibly claim about 90% of SCS water as sovereign territory? 12 nautical miles around all land features and 200 miles EEZ I get, but sovereignty over vast spans of the sea itself is unsupportable by tradition or law. It's fair for China to argue of historical ownership of islands, but 'blue national soil' is a hundred bridges too far.

Precisely. Thus audacious. I guess it's the old sales trick. Sticker price it really high and then you can claim "80% off", so people think they're getting a bargin.
 

Doombreed

Junior Member
I thought it's has been mention many times that it's all the islands inside the dash lines that are China's claim not the water itself. A lot of those islands are small and hard to see on a map from that scale.

Still pretty audacious. And if so. Why isn't the ten dashed line more "curvy" like land borders? You don't just draw a semi circle near the Russian border do you? Shouldn't it follow the contour of the islands? Love how smooth and close the lines are to Malaysia. Would love for you to point out the series of perfectly placed islands that form a semi circle near the Malayisan coast.
 
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