China's SCS Strategy Thread

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In addition to the marine fusiliers and their armored equipment, the navy and the Chinese army would also have participated in the maneuvers, although this remains to be confirmed.

Indeed, other photos published yesterday show that an aviation brigade of the Chinese Army, belonging to the Commandment of the East Theater, is revisited joining one of the carriage of landing craft in an operation joint.

In particular, Z-10 combat helicopters are appearing next to 998 Kunlun Shan , the first of class 071 of the Southern Fleet.

It is unclear at this time whether this is actually a training campaign as the report shows, or it is an amphibious exercise related to the recent drilling of Vietnam in the South China Sea, In collaboration with Western companies.
 
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Un bateau civil chinois a planté un drapeau sur un banc de sable à Lankiam Cay (10°42′48″N 114°31′54″E), en mer de Chine méridionale.

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A Chinese civilian ship has planted a flag on a sandbar to Lankiam Cay (10 ° 42′48″N 114 ° 31′54″E), in the South China Sea.
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(highlighted in the map below) to Palawan:
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Un bateau civil chinois a planté un drapeau sur un banc de sable à Lankiam Cay (10°42′48″N 114°31′54″E), en mer de Chine méridionale.

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A Chinese civilian ship has planted a flag on a sandbar to Lankiam Cay (10 ° 42′48″N 114 ° 31′54″E), in the South China Sea.
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I was curious how far it is from
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(highlighted in the map below) to Palawan:
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now according to DefenseOne
Beijing’s Latest Moves in the South China Sea Spark Fears of a New Land Grab
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Alarm bells sounded when Chinese ships recently gathered at Sandy Cay, a set of sandbars close to Philippines-occupied Thitu Island in the Spratly archipelago.

In 2012, China wrested control of Scarborough Shoal in the South China Sea from the Philippines. With the shoal—reefs, rocks, and a vast lagoon—located just 220 km (137 miles) from the Philippines’ main island Luzon, the incident heightened tensions and embarrassed Manila, which the following year opened a case in an international tribunal challenging Beijing’s territorial moves in the sea.So alarm bells went off earlier this month when
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at Sandy Cay, a
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close to Philippines-occupied Thitu Island in the sea’s Spratly archipelago. The island has a small civilian population and a decrepit runway the Philippines has been
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.

The flotilla was seen as intimidating at the very least. “China’s ongoing maritime activity around Thitu is worrisome… if the objective of the operation is to occupy Sandy Cay, that would mean a significant escalation in tension in the South China Sea. Asia has acquired yet another flashpoint it could well do without,”
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, a security analyst with the Lowy Institute for International Policy in Sydney.

A number of nations have claims to various features in the Spratlys. China, for its part, claims nearly the entire sea for itself, based on its
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. The tribunal
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in a nearly 500-page ruling issued in July 2016, but Beijing dismissed the legal proceedings entirely.

Satellite images
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the Center for Strategic and International Studies’ Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative, based in Washington, DC, confirmed the presence of the flotilla, which included fishing, coastguard, and navy ships. The Philippines military
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. It’s unclear at the time of this writing
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.

The governments of both countries have
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about the murky incident. Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said that people with ulterior motives
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“stir up conflicts between China and the Philippines.” Philippines foreign minister Alan Peter Cayetano said the mere presence of the Chinese ships
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“despite the lack of details that we give you,” saying the matter would be resolved through diplomatic channels. That followed
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a day earlier from president Rodrigo Duterte.

But not everyone in the Philippines is so sure. The Chinese ships were
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access to Sandy Cay, about 5 km (3.1 miles) from Thitu Island. They also blocked a vessel from the Philippine Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources, according to lawmaker Gary Alejano, who last week
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of the Chinese ships. For many Filipinos the thought of a Chinese blockade dredges up bad memories. When China took over Scarborough Shoal, it blocked Philippine ships from accessing it.

Something for Subi
If China did occupy Sandy Cay (not to be confused with the nearby Sand Cay) and claim territorial waters around it, that could bolster the legal status of another nearby feature: Subi Reef, where China has built a militarized artificial island.

When the tribunal made its ruling, it went by the rules of the
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(Unclos), which is at the core of modern maritime law. The tribunal designated Subi Reef a “low-tide elevation.” Such legal designations matter a great deal, as they determine what kind of rights a nation gets in the surrounding waters.

Under Unclos, a “low-tide elevation”—above water at low tide but submerged at high tide—generates no territorial sea. A territorial sea extends out 12 nautical miles (22 km or 13.9 miles) from shore, and within it a nation can better enforce its rules.

A “rock,” by contrast, does generate a territorial sea. An “island” generates an exclusive economic zone, which grants a nation sole rights to natural resources in an area extending 200 nautical miles from the shore.

In its ruling, the tribunal didn’t determine Sandy Cay’s legal designation. But Antonio Carpio, a Supreme Court senior associate justice in the Philippines,
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“Sandy Cay is a Philippine land territory that is being seized (to put it mildly), or being invaded (to put it frankly), by China. If China acquires sovereignty over Sandy Cay, it can now claim Subi Reef as part of the territorial sea of Sandy Cay, legitimizing China’s claim over Subi Reef.”

Carpio said Duterte should send navy vessels to defend Sandy Cay. Were China to start a skirmish with them, he noted, the government could then invoke the mutual defense treaty with the US. Duterte, however,
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the treaty in such a case: “I will not call on America. I have lost trust in the Americans.”

In a situation where Sandy Cay was designated a “rock” and China established sovereignty over it, its territorial sea would be extended by Subi Reef, noted Conor Cronin, a research associate with the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative. In other words, Subi Reef would then generate territorial waters.

That’s something Subi Reef doesn’t have now, and didn’t have when the US conducted a nearby “
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” operation challenging China’s claims in 2015.

Testing the waters
For China, occupying the sandbar would probably not matter much right now. But one day, it might.

“I suppose that in a future world where China and the Philippines agree to divide up sovereignty over the islands and rocks, China is better off with Sandy Cay if it ever had to give up its claim to Thitu Island,” said Julian Ku, a professor at the law school of Hofstra University in New York.

It’s possible that China, by occupying Sandy Cay—or simply putting a flotilla near it—could be testing the waters in terms of reactions in the Philippines.

“I think the occupation of Sandy Cay would be a useful way for China to test the Philippines (and to a lesser extent the US),” Ku added. “As a legal matter, the Philippines also claims Sandy Cay, and if they allow China to occupy it… it would be a signal the Philippines will not resist Chinese changes to the status quo.”

Another theory is that China is trying to intimidate the Philippines
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, or against bolstering its presence on Thitu Island.

Either way, the flotilla has given Asia one more flashpoint to worry about.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Sooner or latter they have to accept Pax Sinica
“Maybe China is just too big. All we can really do is deal with them as sensitively as possible,” muses Le Dinh Toan, an intellectual property researcher passing through Hanoi. “Maybe we have to accept we are lesser.”
As the U.S. steps back, Vietnamese wonder if China is taking control
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Because Vietnam’s closed political system keeps diplomatic machinations secret, most ordinary Vietnamese don’t know what’s happening.(Hoang Dinh Nam/AFP/Getty Images)

HANOI — Citizens of Vietnam have developed an unusual national pastime: Across the country and on social networks, people trade suspicions that their government is secretly giving in to an aggressive China. And lately, there has been plenty of fuel for their rumors.

Some blame a visibly diminished U.S. presence for giving Beijing an opportunity to act behind the scenes. Many blame officials in Hanoi for putting economic cooperation or alleged communist solidarity above questions of national pride. Last month, when a valuable project overseen by the Spanish company Repsol was
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, both theories abounded.

“Is Trump weak, so therefore China is getting stronger? Maybe,” said Dung Nguyen, a small-business owner in Hanoi who often deals with foreign countries, including China. “People even worry in the future we could have another war with China. It’s all very scary.”


But with Vietnam’s closed political system keeping diplomatic machinations a secret, most people — even experts, by their own admission — simply don’t know what’s happening, providing the perfect atmosphere for wild speculation.

“We don’t really know what’s going on,” Nguyen said. “Now that everyone is online, we’ve realized that our [state] media wasn’t telling the whole truth, but we don’t have access to that whole truth, either.”

Domestically, China is one of the most sensitive issues for Vietnam’s otherwise stable communist government. Much of the country’s small dissident community attacks the Communist Party on this issue, and perceived weakness regarding Beijing is often seen as its most vulnerable point — more so than calls for democracy, expanded human rights or even the need to maintain economic growth.

Vietnam is a pillar of opposition to Beijing — at least in public view. Of the ten countries in the ASEAN trade bloc of Southeast Asian nations, which has drifted in a pro-China direction since President Trump took office, Vietnam is the last member openly pushing for a tougher stance on China’s expansion in the South China Sea — called the East Sea in Vietnam. Though many countries express private concerns, Hanoi is now
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on the issue of using international law to push back against China.

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At an ASEAN forum in Manila in early August, not long after news broke of the drilling-project suspension, Vietnam reaffirmed its public opposition to Beijing. The United States, meanwhile, played an
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, said Richard Javad Heydarian, an assistant professor of political science at Manila’s De La Salle University.

For those in the region opposing Chinese expansion, Heydarian said, “Trump has not been very helpful. We have seen a dramatic collapse in confidence in American leadership in Asia. Tillerson didn’t look like he was representing the superpower [at the forum]. He looked more like the representative of a second-tier power, and everyone here knows he is besieged at home.”

Vietnam and China have a centuries-long history of strife, which has continued well into the modern era. Though China did support North Vietnam in its war against the United States, the last war Vietnam fought was with its large neighbor to the north, when China invaded in 1979. Vietnam’s battle-hardened troops surprising Beijing by pushing Chinese forces back, and sporadic clashes continued until a formal peace in 1990.

Vietnam’s fierce rivalry with China often exceeds any lingering resentment against the United States, which is now seen as a crucial counterweight to Beijing’s ambitions.

Yet the suspending of the Repsol drilling project has provided wary Vietnamese with a reason to believe their government is capitulating behind the scenes. Neither the Spanish company nor the Vietnamese government has offered an explanation for suspending offshore activities.

“There are so many rumors swirling around Repsol, as there always are when it comes to China and Vietnam. But there doesn’t appear to be any reason to do what they did other than pressure from Beijing,” said a prominent member of the international business community who frequently interacts with officials representing the three countries involved, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to publicly speak about political matters.

If Vietnam did privately back down, he said, it has not been left with much choice since President Trump took office. “The U.S. really left Vietnam at the altar when it canceled TPP. What are they supposed to do?” he asked, referring to the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the trade deal that included Vietnam and explicitly excluded China. Trump had slammed the deal as a job-killer during the presidential campaign, and he withdrew from the pact just days after taking office.

Another theory is China threatened military action if Vietnam did not capitulate. Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte — not always a reliable narrator — has said Chinese President Xi Jinping
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to him, lending some credibility to the theory. But experts point out war would be disastrous for China’s strategy of convincing neighbors to view Beijing as a font of benevolent stability.

Or the move might simply have been a tactical maneuver by Vietnam. “I think perhaps this is just a short-term withdrawal, as they are waiting for a less difficult geopolitical moment,” said Hoang Viet, a professor of maritime law at Ho Chi Minh City University of Law. “But this is a very sensitive issue. It’s sacred for Vietnamese people, but the government absolutely does not want to make Beijing angry.”

Meanwhile, along the dreary coast of the South China Sea, rapid construction continues unabated. Vietnam’s economy is growing at a steady clip, something often seen as a prerequisite for maintaining support for the Communist Party. And that imperative, more than the rivalry with Beijing, may be more important to Hanoi in the end.

“Maybe China is just too big. All we can really do is deal with them as sensitively as possible,” muses Le Dinh Toan, an intellectual property researcher passing through Hanoi. “Maybe we have to accept we are lesser.”
 

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"Maybe China is just too big. All we can really do is deal with them as sensitively as possible,” muses Le Dinh Toan, an intellectual property researcher passing through Hanoi. “Maybe we have to accept we are lesser.”

Wait a minute... I don't understand. So some Vietnamese actually believe they are no less than China in any conceivable way? Somehow, they think that they can match China toe to toe?! Is it physically impossible? Have they been able to do anything close to that in the past 2000 years?

I'm not saying a small country should be content with being bullied by superpowers. Different countries should use different strategies based on their own strength and weaknesses.

A featherweight can be as skilled as a heavyweight and can beat a heavyweight if he uses appropriate tactics. And that tactics should not be exchanging punches with the heavyweight. And the first thing they need to do before formulating a strategy should be to correctly assessing their own situation, which is in this case they are the featherweight.
 
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weig2000

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Wait a minute... I don't understand. So some Vietnamese actually believe they are no less than China in any conceivable way? Somehow, they think that they can match China toe to toe?! Is it physically impossible? Have they been able to do anything close to that in the past 2000 years?

I'm not saying a small country should be content with being bullied by superpowers. Different countries should use different strategies based on their own strength and weaknesses.

A featherweight can be as skilled as a heavyweight and can beat a heavyweight if he uses appropriate tactics. And that tactics should not be exchanging punches with the heavyweight. And the first thing they need to do before formulating a strategy should be to correctly assessing their own situation, which is in this case they are the featherweight.

I actually would give credit to Vietnamese; they know how to live under the shadow of a giant. Vietnam has co-existed with China for 2000 years, first a part of the China, then as an independent country. They're a tough but also pragmatic people. They know how to adapt to the changing time and environment. Vietnam, particularly, the northern part, has been deeply influenced by Chinese and Chinese culture. They're like Chinese in many ways.

I'm pretty confident that Vietnam will do the right thing for the long-term interest of their country.
 

jobjed

Captain
I actually would give credit to Vietnamese; they know how to live under the shadow of a giant. Vietnam has co-existed with China for 2000 years, first a part of the China, then as an independent country. They're a tough but also pragmatic people. They know how to adapt to the changing time and environment. Vietnam, particularly, the northern part, has been deeply influenced by Chinese and Chinese culture. They're like Chinese in many ways.

I'm pretty confident that Vietnam will do the right thing for the long-term interest of their country.

They are toxic, petty, vitriolic, and have a severe inferiority complex reinforced by stupidly strong paranoia. These idiots actually believe China wants to wipe them out. Every.single.one of them believes that to some degree.

They completely ignore history; whenever China had every power to genocide their country, she didn't. And somehow the Vietnamese still believe China's just going to casually go "oh yeah, f*ck those Viets, let's go slaughter them" when she has never taken military action against Vietnam unless Vietnam started the poking and got a punitive slap in return.

Seriously, at this point in time, China might as well commit the atrocities that Vietnam believes she will. China has nothing left to lose. There isn't a single shred of Chinese reputation left hanging in Vietnam owing to millennia of brainwashing and constant bitterness of feeling inferior. If they already believe China's the embodiment of the devil and refuse to change their views despite all evidence to the contrary, then China should just be the devil and wipe them out. Yes, China will be viewed as the embodiment of the devil for genocide but she's already viewed as such, there's nothing left to lose except an irritating prick on the southern border.
 
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