China's SCS Strategy Thread

Equation

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They are toxic, petty, vitriolic, and have a severe inferiority complex reinforced by stupidly strong paranoia. These idiots actually believe China wants to wipe them out. Every.single.one of them believes that to some degree.

They completely ignore history; whenever China had every power to genocide their country, she didn't. And somehow the Vietnamese still believe China's just going to casually go "oh yeah, f*ck those Viets, let's go slaughter them" when she has never taken military action against Vietnam unless Vietnam started the poking and got a punitive slap in return.

Seriously, at this point in time, China might as well commit the atrocities that Vietnam believes she will. China has nothing left to lose. There isn't a single shred of Chinese reputation left hanging in Vietnam owing to millennia of brainwashing and constant bitterness of feeling inferior. If they already believe China's the embodiment of the devil and refuse to change their views despite all evidence to the contrary, then China should just be the devil and wipe them out. Yes, China will be viewed as the embodiment of the devil for genocide but she's already viewed as such, there's nothing left to lose except an irritating prick on the southern border.

It's those Vietnamese elitist propaganda, no matter what kind of government or whose in charge they always perpetuate this us vs them midget mentality. It's the fear of the large Chinese numbers will overwhelmed and extinct our race if we don't watch out kind of backward thinking and behavior. Have they ever given the thoughts about their over powering of their smaller neighbors such as Cambodia and Laos? It's the classic pot calling the kettle black.
 

kurutoga

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It's those Vietnamese elitist propaganda, no matter what kind of government or whose in charge they always perpetuate this us vs them midget mentality. It's the fear of the large Chinese numbers will overwhelmed and extinct our race if we don't watch out kind of backward thinking and behavior. Have they ever given the thoughts about their over powering of their smaller neighbors such as Cambodia and Laos? It's the classic pot calling the kettle black.

Exactly. If you listen to Lee Kuan Yew's talk about his meeting with Deng Xiaoping, the only reason Deng wants to attack Vietnam is the aggression and the invasion Vietnam showed to Cambodia. As emotional as the Vietnam people can be, they failed to see their own issues
 

tidalwave

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Vietnam has officially acquired Brahmos from India. Su30MK2 with Brahmos will pose serious threat to surface combatant like 054, 056. Now China need to focus on air coverage, denying those Viet Su 30mk2. Putting fighters on those man made island. J16, J31.

Build less 054, 056, they are highly vulnerable
 

Figaro

Senior Member
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They are toxic, petty, vitriolic, and have a severe inferiority complex reinforced by stupidly strong paranoia. These idiots actually believe China wants to wipe them out. Every.single.one of them believes that to some degree.

They completely ignore history; whenever China had every power to genocide their country, she didn't. And somehow the Vietnamese still believe China's just going to casually go "oh yeah, f*ck those Viets, let's go slaughter them" when she has never taken military action against Vietnam unless Vietnam started the poking and got a punitive slap in return.

Seriously, at this point in time, China might as well commit the atrocities that Vietnam believes she will. China has nothing left to lose. There isn't a single shred of Chinese reputation left hanging in Vietnam owing to millennia of brainwashing and constant bitterness of feeling inferior. If they already believe China's the embodiment of the devil and refuse to change their views despite all evidence to the contrary, then China should just be the devil and wipe them out. Yes, China will be viewed as the embodiment of the devil for genocide but she's already viewed as such, there's nothing left to lose except an irritating prick on the southern border.
Western media has always been extremely hypocritical when it comes to Vietnam, more so than the Philippines or any other country. In the late 1970's, Vietnam expelled over 800,000 ethnic Chinese (Hoa people) during repeated cleansing operations. Tens of thousands of these refugees died in the South China Sea due to such dreadful conditions and many others became diseased. My colleague was one of these boat people. She was an ethnic Chinese who left Vietnam at the age of 4 during the massive Hoa exodus and nearly died while adrift at sea for several weeks (she says refugees were packed like sardines). Luckily, her boat drifted towards Hainan and she was eventually rescued by some compassionate Chinese fishermen. To this day, this colleague tells me of how she yearns of going back to Hainan to pay homage to these graceful villagers (she resettled in the States after landing in China). Without her response, I never would've known about this and might've even supported Vietnam's stance on the SCS. Hence, every time I see a publication of China "bullying" Vietnam in the SCS, I always get very pissed off even though I'm not Chinese. To date, I don't think I've ever seen a SCS article even remotely mentioning this atrocity. It's always a David vs Goliath scenario with Vietnam and China fulfilling those roles respectively. I read somewhere that a defected Vietnamese politburo member said that Vietnam treated the Hoa far worse than how Hitler treated the Jews. After thinking about it, I realize his analogy wasn't that far fetched. And here we have Vietnam playing the victim of Chinese "aggression". How pathetic and shame on them for doing so.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Western media has always been extremely hypocritical when it comes to Vietnam, more so than the Philippines or any other country. In the late 1970's, Vietnam expelled over 800,000 ethnic Chinese (Hoa people) during repeated cleansing operations. Tens of thousands of these refugees died in the South China Sea due to such dreadful conditions and many others became diseased. My colleague was one of these boat people. She was an ethnic Chinese who left Vietnam at the age of 4 during the massive Hoa exodus and nearly died while adrift at sea for several weeks (she says refugees were packed like sardines). Luckily, her boat drifted towards Hainan and she was eventually rescued by some compassionate Chinese fishermen. To this day, this colleague tells me of how she yearns of going back to Hainan to pay homage to these graceful villagers (she resettled in the States after landing in China). Without her response, I never would've known about this and might've even supported Vietnam's stance on the SCS. Hence, every time I see a publication of China "bullying" Vietnam in the SCS, I always get very pissed off even though I'm not Chinese. To date, I don't think I've ever seen a SCS article even remotely mentioning this atrocity. It's always a David vs Goliath scenario with Vietnam and China fulfilling those roles respectively. I read somewhere that a defected Vietnamese politburo member said that Vietnam treated the Hoa far worse than how Hitler treated the Jews. After thinking about it, I realize his analogy wasn't that far fetched. And here we have Vietnam playing the victim of Chinese "aggression". How pathetic and shame on them for doing so.
Both the Vietnamese government and former South Vietnamese government leaders, upper class and their descendants that lives overseas are in it to paint China as a bully because they knew the Western media and CIA will helped them to pressure China into a disadvantage position for the US own benefits and theirs as well.
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
Vietnam has officially acquired Brahmos from India. Su30MK2 with Brahmos will pose serious threat to surface combatant like 054, 056. Now China need to focus on air coverage, denying those Viet Su 30mk2. Putting fighters on those man made island. J16, J31.

Build less 054, 056, they are highly vulnerable

Let the Vietnamese SU-30MK2 sink Chinese 056 .. and let see what happen next ;););)

Exactly!!!, they wouldn't dare unless a war broke between these 2 countries .. and you know what would happen :p:p:p

So Brahmo and SU-30MK2 (40 of them) are just for the show .. no use in real war against China. Without proper support (AWACS, satellites, missiles, etc, etc), they are close to useless
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
No weapon system is useless in war, just ask the F117 pilot that got shot down by a missile older than he is.

However, without proper support, even the best weapons systems cannot turn the tide of war by themselves.

Vietnamese Brahamos missiles would pose serious risks to PLAN surface ships within range of shore based batteries, so would serve as a powerful area denial weapon systems.

However OTOH, Vietnamese forces would be extremely hard pressed to be able to go out and attack a PLAN task force with air or naval assets armed with Brahmos, especially in the SCS, as those assets will get detected and engaged before they can get within launch range of a PLAN fleet.

For how much they profess to hating China, the Vietnamese sure love copying China when it comes to military procurement strategy even when they cannot match the quality or quantity.

China buys Su27 and Su30, Vietnam follows suite only with far fewer purchases; China develops AShBMs, Vietnam buys Brahmos as a poor man's A2AD.
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
Wait a minute... I don't understand. So some Vietnamese actually believe they are no less than China in any conceivable way? Somehow, they think that they can match China toe to toe?! Is it physically impossible? Have they been able to do anything close to that in the past 2000 years?

I'm not saying a small country should be content with being bullied by superpowers. Different countries should use different strategies based on their own strength and weaknesses.

A featherweight can be as skilled as a heavyweight and can beat a heavyweight if he uses appropriate tactics. And that tactics should not be exchanging punches with the heavyweight. And the first thing they need to do before formulating a strategy should be to correctly assessing their own situation, which is in this case they are the featherweight.

Yes

LKY noted that after the Vietnam war, Vietnam thought they were the Prussians of IndoChina and could do anything they wanted.

It's a huge disconnect between belief versus reality.

And it's counterproductive for the Vietnamese Communist Party, because they are deliberately making anti-Chinese sentiment part of the national psyche through the education system and stressing national strength/independence.

Yet the decision makers in Vietnam know that China completely overshadows Vietnam in every way.

And the Vietnamese Communist party doesn't have as much control over information or propaganda than China, so Vietnam has less flexibility for maneuver as well.
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
Let the Vietnamese SU-30MK2 sink Chinese 056 .. and let see what happen next ;););)

Exactly!!!, they wouldn't dare unless a war broke between these 2 countries .. and you know what would happen :p:p:p

So Brahmo and SU-30MK2 (40 of them) are just for the show .. no use in real war against China. Without proper support (AWACS, satellites, missiles, etc, etc), they are close to useless

Yes.

In the event of an actual China-Vietnam conflict, the Vietnamese know that they will be huge losers and that no-one else will help them
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
It's those Vietnamese elitist propaganda, no matter what kind of government or whose in charge they always perpetuate this us vs them midget mentality. It's the fear of the large Chinese numbers will overwhelmed and extinct our race if we don't watch out kind of backward thinking and behavior. Have they ever given the thoughts about their over powering of their smaller neighbors such as Cambodia and Laos? It's the classic pot calling the kettle black.

One would like to think that the Vietnamese government will be smart enough to change their propaganda/education stance on China, as it is detrimental to their long-term interests.
 
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