China's SCS Strategy Thread

Equation

Lieutenant General
So Equation, let's put our thesis and antithesis to the test. Take me up on my offer in post 4332 and test your convictions before an impartial arbiter.

Let's look at your historical comment from the past and see for oneself instead. Again you will or had never take the initiative to bad mouth your favorite religious institution, Tea Party, conservative, Trump and Taiwan government. So are you going to admit you won't do it because you afraid to be seen as a hypocrite or you are bad at being "balance"? I thought so.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
@Equation, do you or do you not have the courage of your own convictions to accept my challenge outlined in post 4332? Once we're done with that test, I'll seriously consider one you craft.
 

Shaolian

Junior Member
Registered Member
My wish for China, in no particular order:

1. A re-unified China (Mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong & Macau)

2. If uni-party rule, then a meger of CPM & Kuomintang. If representative democracy, then two-party system of CPM & Kuomintang.

3. Official post dynastic history to be ROC, Republic of China, dating back from 1911. With period of division as joint PRC / ROC (Taiwan). Therefore, Modern China IS 106 years old.

4. Reversion of a re-unified China to the name of the Republic of China.

5. National Day, October 10th.

IMO, both CPM and Kuomintang are legitimate governments, CPM for their greatest contribution in finally bringing China out of the Ching doldrums. And Kuomintang for their brave struggle to end dynastic tyranny.
 
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Shaolian

Junior Member
Registered Member
Oops... I've no idea why I kept using "CPM", when I was actually refering to the "CPC", Communist Party of China.

Freudian slip, I guess.
 

weig2000

Captain
Looks like you're really bored, having some fun here. I'll join you: :)

My wish for China, in no particular order:
1. A re-unified China (Mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong & Macau)

It'll happen. Really, the only missing piece is Taiwan now. I'll give it twenty years, max.

2. If uni-party rule, then a meger of CPM & Kuomintang. If representative democracy, then two-party system of CPM & Kuomintang.

You can't be serious, can you? KMT has always been a loser: it was a loser on mainland; it is a loser again on the island of Taiwan. It has no political base among the vast majority of Chinese people, who are in mainland China. KMT is a joke among most Chinese people, it's increasingly on life-support. The only reason CPP still gives a damn about KMT is because they use it as a leverage in current Taiwan politics.

Over the years, I've seen a lot of KMT'ers or pro-KMT'ers from Taiwan or outside to try to play up KMT as an equal to CCP. They basically have no sense of reality, no shame, but a lot of audacity, and self-serving. The implicit assumptions appear to be that CCP has no legitimacy, or modern China is a total failure, or that just by agreeing Taiwan will not seek independence alone, KMT or Taiwan would be doing CCP or mainland such a big favor, it would have to share power with KMT or evenly divide China with Taiwan. As for your "representative democracy," you would think that's the path China ought to head down, until you find out that the Taiwan-style "democracy" is a butt of joke among mainland Chinese, or for that matter, the western-style democracy is not in vogue. Seriously.

It's not that CPP is perfect, or that China has already been "there." It's just that KMT or Taiwan does not deserve it. They don't bring that much of value to the table to claim such a place. KMT is a perennial loser, has no political base among the mainland Chinese, and Taiwan is a tiny piece of Chinese territory with a tiny percentage of Chinese population. Demanding such a power sharing... on what basis?

There was a slim chance, nearly thirty years ago, that Taiwan could demand a power sharing out of proportion of its population and size of territory, when mainland China had just opened her door, very poor and unsure of her direction. I remember there were once a debate in Taiwan on whether to aid mainland China 10 billion USD (out of its 80 bn USD foreign reserves, the largest in the world at the time). I was like, ... wow. That time had long passed, and that slim window of opportunity for KMT/Taiwan long gone.

It's like you're a small company, demanding a very large equity in a merged corporation with a huge multinational. And that analogy is not appropriate in the sense that even if this small company does not seek a merger operationally, the multinational in reality owns the majority of the small company's equity.

3. Official post dynastic history to be ROC, Republic of China, dating back from 1911. With period of division as joint PRC / ROC (Taiwan). Therefore, Modern China IS 106 years old.

Why? Why fake history? If you insist modern China is just the continuation the dynastic history of China. then ROC is the short-lived Sui Dynasty to the Tang Dynasty of PRC.

4. Reversion of a re-unified China to the name of the Republic of China.

Like I said, there were a slim chance thirty years ago if KMT or Taiwan agreed to negotiate with mainland to unify. I don't think most Chinese dislike the name ROC. It's just, today, why bother? PRC has become an established brand, and more importantly, the majority of Chinese have become identified and emotionally attached with the name PRC, the national flag, and the national anthem. There are a lot pride in them. Why give it up? For what?

Again, I think there were some implicit assumptions among some people that somehow CCP is an illegitimate "regime" waiting to be overthrown, and PRC has an inglorious history and in any case will collapse sooner or later. Changing the name of reunified China to ROC will somehow bury the bad stuff in the past and turn a new page. Besides, it will please the good folks of KMT/ROC/Taiwan or people who sympathize with them.

If this is the psychology behind such thinking, all I can say is these people have no sense of reality and real world, and they still live in their own fantasy world.

5. National Day, October 10th.

See above.

IMO, both CPM and Kuomintang are legitimate governments, CPM for their greatest contribution in finally bringing China out of the Ching doldrums. And Kuomintang for their brave struggle to end dynastic tyranny.

KMT is a party; it is no government, illegitimate or not. It currently is one of the opposition party in Taiwan, and is facing an existential crisis.
 
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advill

Junior Member
Since there is discussion on political leadership/s, this is my take which the Moderator could decide to move/include it to a more appropriate thread:

In reality there is never a perfect political system. After observing recent happenings in the US & Europe where Democracy has become DemoCrazy, with populists demanding their rights; this resulted (if not already) caused serious divisions in their respective societies/countries. There must be discipline, and irresponsible/violent trouble makers must always be taken to task. A strong, wise, benevolent and importantly not corrupt leadership/government would be important. The people/citizens must also be looked after, regardless of their social status. Several pundits would criticise that this "idealism" is totally impossible. However, if we examined what Deng Tzio Ping had initiated for China some 30+ years ago, & how China had progressively elevated about half its population out of poverty, than there is something we can learn from the country. Another good example was the late Lee Kuan Yew, who as PM was often called "A benevolent dictator"....... look at what Singapore has become - a small and progressive multi-racial nation. We can learn from the saying of Confucius (551-479 BC) "To know what is Right and NOT Do it is the worst Cowardice".
 
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