China's SCS Strategy Thread

[joshuatree]

I don't think China should response based on what the western media is propagating, but rather to what Vietnam itself is doing. Paracels is between China and Vietnam.

If Vietnam starts to behave like what the Philipines did during the Aquino administration, then yes, China should response. But until then, there's no need for any further escallation.

Just preempt any notion of any further lawfare tactics by dropping notice to exit out of UNCLOS and adhere to customary law like the US does.

 

[tidalwave]

I don't think China should response based on what the western media is propagating, but rather to what Vietnam itself is doing. Paracels is between China and Vietnam.

If Vietnam starts to behave like what the Philipines did during the Aquino administration, then yes, China should response. But until then, there's no need for any further escallation.

Oh yeah? the court has already declared China has No right do any reclaimation work in SCS.
The gaunlet has already thrown down.

 

[tidalwave]

I don't think China should response based on what the western media is propagating, but rather to what Vietnam itself is doing. Paracels is between China and Vietnam.

If Vietnam starts to behave like what the Philipines did during the Aquino administration, then yes, China should response. But until then, there's no need for any further escallation.

look, here's what's to going to happen.
China will have 2 or 3 Carrier strike groups in South Sea Fleet. Putting everything in Sanya will invite a Pearl Harbor Surprise attack.
You need to spread your assets.
Currently Woody Island cannot host large surface combatant and Submarines therefore bigger islands need to be built to be able to do that.
Hainan==Hawaii Paracel==Guam.

There you have it. a lot of works need to be done!

 

[Qi_1528]

That's all great and the RIGHT thing to do, but the other side like US and Japan will NEVER do the right thing. US and Japan will NEVER reciprocate on equal term. Instead, they will exploit it.

USA is like the mafia don, fearful of anyone challenge their dominance regardless if it is right or wrong. It doesn't matter. ANYONE or everyone will have to submit to USA. Watch the Sopranos or the Godfather, it is how US operate its foreign affairs.

China can do the right thing, but it won't change a single thing - USA will just exploit China's willingness to cooperate. China will end up wose than the Russians back in 90s if they do.

I share this view, and the Mafia don comparison is an appropriate one I'm sorry to say. Not only to the US. China can't do the right thing and play by the rules if other nations won't do the same. International law should apply to all or nobody.

I can't say I agree with everything China has done in the SCS, but with the former in mind, I understand it. The best thing we can hope for at the moment is for cool heads to prevail and all sides avoiding escalation into a shooting war.

@tidalwave

Why are you talking about China helping ISIS?! It would never do such a thing. It has learned from the US experience of aiding the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan in the 70' and 80's: Don't support someone if he will come back to bite you. Nevermind the terrible impact on China's international image supporting ISIS would have. The likes of Saudi Arabia and Qatar (and possibly Turkey) haven't won themselves any friends doing so.

 

[Blackstone]

Oh yeah? the court has already declared China has No right do any reclaimation work in SCS.
The gaunlet has already thrown down.

What "gauntlet" do you mean? The not-court PCA, that's unaffiliated with the UN, and has no legal authority to compel any nation to action? The same debate club that the International Court of Justice broke light speed to announce it's no part of the ICJ or the United Nation? The very Mutual Admiration Society even the western Press nolonger say its affiliated with the UN? You mean that gauntlet? OK, let's have a look at your so-called "gauntlet." So, who's picking it up? What hypocritical nations have to chutzpah to pick up the gauntlet? Let's see now, let's see now...

• US ambassador already signaled no action unless China attacks Philippines first. So, not Washington...
• Japan talks a lot, but not too loudly (they're a well-mannered society). But, no meaningful actions. So nope, not Tokyo...
• Australia tried to rattle its saber, but with its refusal to arbitrate with East Timor, the rusty knife never cleared the scabbard. So, not Canberra...
• Vietnam made noises that sounded like it wanted a fight, and urged Washington to take point. US passed on starting WW3 over a bunch of rocks and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam is somewhat less enthusiastic about fighting China without Uncle Sugar. So nope, not Hanoi...
• What about the EU? Surely they want to remain relevant. Some EU members mouthed concerns and urged the CCP to cut its own throat with its 1.3 billion citizens. Zongnanhai declined the request, so the EU went back to throwing a few formulated 'international law' jabs with one hand, while extending the other for more Chinese business opportunities. Ney, not the EU...
• How about the Green-gang of Taiwan? They fear the Mainland and cling to independence fantasies. If anyone's for poking Beijing's eye, it's got to be Governor Tsai ing-win. Surprise, surprise, not even she and the DDP dare giving up Chinese territory! Washington isn't happy with Taipei's show of defiance, but there's not a whole lot it could do about it. So nope, not Taipei...
• Surely the instigator of the PCA debate would stand tall and be counted! But, where are Philippine Navy's cutters and its air force's fierce F-5 squadrons? What happened to the invitation to speak to a joint session of the US Congress? Must be lost in the mail. So, not even Manila will take concrete actions to enforce PCA opinion paper...

That gets back to my original question to you, who's picking up your so-called "gauntlet?"

 

[Ali Qizilbash]

What "gauntlet" do you mean? The not-court PCA, that's unaffiliated with the UN, and has no legal authority to compel any nation to action? The same debate club that the International Court of Justice broke light speed to announce it's no part of the ICJ or the United Nation? The very Mutual Admiration Society even the western Press nolonger say its affiliated with the UN? You mean that gauntlet? OK, let's have a look at your so-called "gauntlet." So, who's picking it up? What hypocritical nations have to chutzpah to pick up the gauntlet? Let's see now, let's see now...

• US ambassador already signaled no action unless China attacks Philippines first. So, not Washington...
• Japan talks a lot, but not too loudly (they're a well-mannered society). But, no meaningful actions. So nope, not Tokyo...
• Australia tried to rattle its saber, but with its refusal to arbitrate with East Timor, the rusty knife never cleared the scabbard. So, not Canberra...
• Vietnam made noises that sounded like it wanted a fight, and urged Washington to take point. US passed on starting WW3 over a bunch of rocks and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam is somewhat less enthusiastic about fighting China without Uncle Sugar. So nope, not Hanoi...
• What about the EU? Surely they want to remain relevant. Some EU members mouthed concerns and urged the CCP to cut its own throat with its 1.3 billion citizens. Zongnanhai declined the request, so the EU went back to throwing a few formulated 'international law' jabs with one hand, while extending the other for more Chinese business opportunities. Ney, not the EU...
• How about the Green-gang of Taiwan? They fear the Mainland and cling to independence fantasies. If anyone's for poking Beijing's eye, it's got to be Governor Tsai ing-win. Surprise, surprise, not even she and the DDP dare giving up Chinese territory! Washington isn't happy with Taipei's show of defiance, but there's not a whole lot it could do about it. So nope, not Taipei...
• Surely the instigator of the PCA debate would stand tall and be counted! But, where are Philippine Navy's cutters and its air force's fierce F-5 squadrons? What happened to the invitation to speak to a joint session of the US Congress? Must be lost in the mail. So, not even Manila will take concrete actions to enforce PCA opinion paper...

That gets back to my original question to you, who's picking up your so-called "gauntlet?"

@Blackstone Atlast there is one post of yours which i liked but alas my like button is not working...

 

[Blackstone]

@Blackstone Atlast there is one post of yours which i liked but alas my like button is not working...

Oh nooooo Ali! You're losing it. Does your therapist give refunds?

 

[tidalwave]

What "gauntlet" do you mean? The not-court PCA, that's unaffiliated with the UN, and has no legal authority to compel any nation to action?

That gets back to my original question to you, who's picking up your so-called "gauntlet?"

The gaunlet is thrown down by the Court in Hague. China is being punked and dissed by this court.
And it supported by US, EU, Aus, Japan, Philippines.

If some one dissed you, you have to stand up to it regardless whether it has or has no authority.

 

[tidalwave]

@tidalwave

Why are you talking about China helping ISIS?! It would never do such a thing. It has learned from the US experience of aiding the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan in the 70' and 80's: Don't support someone if he will come back to bite you. Nevermind the terrible impact on China's international image supporting ISIS would have. The likes of Saudi Arabia and Qatar (and possibly Turkey) haven't won themselves any friends doing so.

Anything is possible when war has started.

 

[antiterror13]

@Blackstone Atlast there is one post of yours which i liked but alas my like button is not working...

'Like" wont work on Chrome ... use Firefox