China's SCS Strategy Thread

[hydropod]

Tsai's response is to give up the "reef" and she has already withdrawn two large patrol boats.

Like I said earlier, this is going to be awkward for both Tsai and Abe. Okinotorishima is now definitely a reef, and Japan just lost its claim for EEZ from a ruling that it had nothing to do with, chaired by an Japanese arbitrator. Such ironies.

 

[Blackstone]

China will do what it has always done.
It will ignore the PCA when it benefits China - Fiery Cross, etc.
It will invoke PCA when it can justify taking those islands and rocks which are now all reefs and not the property of any other nations.

China wants what it wants and is going to take what it wants until someone stops them. It is as simple as that.

Right on points, if the PCA's ruling is to be taken as gospel, that is. Definitely correct on China acting like any other country on international laws it doesn't like.

 

[solarz]

According to the news I've watched, typhoon's heading to Taiwan, not Taiping island (sorry, I reject to accept Taiping island as a reef). Further, if you withdraw force from island defense just because of typhoon and hard living condition, how many island should you give up?

I doubt it would happen, although you never know with the DPP. However, if they had even a modicum of brain power, they would realize that the moment they withdrew from Taiping, the Mainland would move in, thereby consolidating Mainland's hold over the SCS *and* undermining Taiwan's own inluence.

 

[Ultra]

Your response is 100% predictable. Those are not "western rules and laws", Indonesia, Vietnam and the Philippines are not 'the west'.

China will alienate everyone on this planet that they have not bought (Lao, Cambodia), but unlike the UK or USA, China never brought any soft power benefits to the table to balance the bad.

China just wants, and takes, and wonders why everyone does not want to be economically dominated with all benefits going to China. Eventually the people of nations China has purchased the leadership off with huge contracts, will revolt.

I have read the quotes in SE Asia papers of Chinese being upset that the locals have free will and can choose to not do business with exploitative Mainlanders, or that the locals demand higher pay (Chinese say those people have black hearts), or won't tolerate Chinese expolitative business and labour practices.

The rest of the planet is not China, you don't get to force your system of 3,500 year old feudal exploitation on to the rest of us.

You are going against the entire planet earth.

The USA, UK, French, Spanish and Portuguese all had allies.

China does not.

We all know that you and China will ignore what everyone else says, and continue to exploit,

Earth is 82.5% vs. China is 17.5%.

Learn to get along with the rest of us, or learn the consequences the hard way.

It's your choice if you want to take on the entire planet and anger everyone in the region and beyond.

LMAO! Hypocrisy at its best!

Western countries - less than 15% of the world's population.
And the rest of the planet is not western country. Don't force your system of extreme exploitation on the PLANET EARTH (pollution which started with the western industrialization) and PEOPLE (Slavery) on the rest of us. The last hundred years has seen the worst kind of exploitation and it is ALL started by western countries.

BY the same token, it is YOU who should get along with the rest of us.

 

[Blackstone]

Tsai's response is to give up the "reef" and she has already withdrawn two large patrol boats.

That's probably step 1 of governor Tsai's plans to pursue Taiwan independence.

 

[Blackstone]

Reutuer's article on Taiwan rejecting PCA's position paper on Itu Aba island isn't clear on whether it also rejected the rest of it. I guess we'll find out once more details come out.

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Taiwan said Tuesday it does not accept a tribunal's ruling on the South China Sea, saying the decision on Itu Aba, Taipei's sole holding in the disputed Spratly Islands, had "seriously impaired" its territorial rights.

The arbitration court in The Hague ruled that China has no historic title over the waters of the South China Sea and that it has breached the sovereign rights of the Philippines with its actions there, infuriating a defiant Beijing.

Taiwan, formally known as the "Republic of China", is also a claimant in the South China Sea. The maps China bases its South China Sea claims on date to when Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists ruled China before they fled to Taiwan in 1949 after losing a civil war to Mao Zedong's Communists.

Manila had challenged the legality of China's claims to virtually the entire South China Sea, in part by arguing that no reefs, atolls or islets in the Spratly archipelago can legally be considered an island, and therefore hold no rights to a 200 nautical mile (370 km) exclusive economic zone.

Itu Aba is the biggest feature in the Spratlys and the one some analysts believed had the strongest claim to island status and an economic zone. The Spratlys are also claimed by China, Vietnam and Malaysia while Brunei claims nearby waters.

 

[SteelBird]

for those who read Chinese, this is a bit ironic.

 

[solarz]

for those who read Chinese, this is a bit ironic.

It's pretty funny.

 

[SteelBird]

It's pretty funny.

Yeah, it also let you choose what to expect. Seems like first option is most possible.

 

[Jura The idiot]

for those who read Chinese, ...

... I don't at all, but let me guess: is this a list of betting options?