China's SCS Strategy Thread
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antiterror13
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so Chinese land reclamations would benefit everybody in the region ... yayyyyyy
() 09:52, June 17, 2016
In an recent article wrote for China-US Focus.com titled “The New York Times is Wrong about the South China Sea”, U.S. writer and Foreign Policy analyst Ben Reynolds pointed out that one editorial of the New York Times “echoes a number of mistaken arguments that are popular with American policymakers”, and hoped that the New York Times could be more “thorough and careful with the facts” in future pieces, instead of selling the American public on yet “another disastrous foreign intervention”.
“Most significantly, the Times lends credence to arguments that dramatically inflate the threat that China poses to the region and the United States,” he wrote, “this editorial demonstrates the difficulties that face American advocates for peace in a media environment dominated by uncritical support for U.S. foreign policy”.
Reynolds argued that the editorial has misconstrued key points about international norms in the South China Sea and in Asia as a whole. For example, the“freedom of navigation” being asserted by U.S. is for U.S. military vessels, not oil tankers. Needless to say China never poses a threat to the trade in this area.
He stressed that the newspaper has demonstrated different attitudes towards China and Vietnam on the construction activities in the South China Sea. To China, the project is “aggressive and outrageous tactic”; but to Vietnam, U.S. ally, the ongoing military outposts construction just being on-purposely ignored.
“Misleading the American people about U.S.-China rivalry in the South China Sea with omissions and half-truths is the job of the Defense Department, not the press”, he mocked. “Until major American press outlets reorient their outlook on U.S. foreign policy toward China, it will remain our responsibility to correct dangerous and mistaken ideas that can only contribute to hostility between the American and Chinese peoples”.
(People's Daily)
Zool
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Depends where the truth lies on position of the vessel(s). GPS on all of these boats would be very helpful for all parties.
If it's recognized Indonesian waters the fishing boats were found in before attempting to flee, then it is lawful enforcement, although fair to argue disproportionate, using Naval Warships rather than a Coast Guard or Fisheries vessel to stop the Chinese boats.
On the other hand, if the Chinese fishing boats really were in international or disputed waters, then a reasonable response by China might be to keep a 54A on station in the area to deter and engage against future fire from an Indonesian Warship on Chinese fishing boats.
It all comes down to the specifics, which I'm sure will be debated between the governments since arrests were made and injury sustained.
If it's recognized Indonesian waters the fishing boats were found in before attempting to flee, then it is lawful enforcement, although fair to argue disproportionate, using Naval Warships rather than a Coast Guard or Fisheries vessel to stop the Chinese boats.
On the other hand, if the Chinese fishing boats really were in international or disputed waters, then a reasonable response by China might be to keep a 54A on station in the area to deter and engage against future fire from an Indonesian Warship on Chinese fishing boats.
It all comes down to the specifics, which I'm sure will be debated between the governments since arrests were made and injury sustained.
Firing deadly weapons against Chinese fishing ships is a pretty serious thing. From a naval ship, no less. I dont think Indonesia knows what they are doing here, seeing how China never did this before themselves.
Too bad Indonesia has China at the balls with all those investments there. China, again, is taken hostage by her economic interests she has in inherently hostile nations. If there were none, there should be open season on those Indonesian ships.
Too bad Indonesia has China at the balls with all those investments there. China, again, is taken hostage by her economic interests she has in inherently hostile nations. If there were none, there should be open season on those Indonesian ships.
Equation
Lieutenant General
More rather Indonesia can't afford to lose anymore Chinese investments. Going to the west means they have to comply with their "human rights violations" as more Muslims and Christians are at each other's throat over there.
Even if it were within Indonesian waters I don't think that the presence of a Chinese fishing boat warranted the use of naval guns. Those are fishermen, not pirates.
Brumby
Major
As to why the Indonesians are sending in Naval vessels, it should be obvious by now that the "modus operandi" of the Chinese fishing activities are supported by Chinese Coast Guard vessels operating in the immediate vicinity. Indonesia is sending a political message with the Naval vessel having regards to the previous Chinese Coast Guard ramming incident.
May 31st was a separate incident. One Chinese fisherman was shot and required intensive medical care in the incident on the 19th. Say what you want about the Chinese coast guard/navy, but they never opened fire on Vietnamese/Fillippino sailors in disputed EEZ.