China's SCS Strategy Thread

[AndrewS]

I'm speculating that the recent Senkaku/Diaoyutai move by the Chinese/Russian navies was jointly coordinated - as both sides would benefit from this.

It gives Russia more leverage against the USA and gives China more leverage against Japan.

Escalating against Japan in the naval realm wasn't really an option even 2 years ago given the naval balance before, which was part of the reason why it didn't happen.

But now China has four Type-52D destroyers in service with 2-3 being commissioned every year. Plus the 'Monster' Coast Guard ships are in now service, and according to the specs, theoretically it could safely ram any ship in the Japanese Coast Guard and also any Japanese Naval Destroyer.

But just because the capability is there doesn't mean it is necessarily a good idea.

 

[AndrewS]

An actual war would be a disaster for China and the rest of the world.

In the aftermath, think of how much money will then get sucked into arms spending when there are many more pressing needs.

And the broader geopolitical aftereffects will threaten China's plan to lift hundreds of millions from poverty to the middle-class and to move up the technology value chain - to become a wealthy and prosperous hi-tech nation.

Remember that such a China would have an economy some 3x-4x larger than the USA, and would almost certainly have economic and military primacy in Asia

The objective is not to make the Japanese "scream like pigs" as you say.

It is to persuade Japan that they are better off by aligning with China than the USA, through a combination of both carrots and sticks.

 

[Blitzo]

dont forget a swarm of JH7A flying below radar, just slightly above water carrying ashM against Japanese naval destroyers.

Obviously, China thinks its a good move to open second front against Japan and make US react because US overly concentrating on SCS. US doesn't think Diaoyutai has strategic values so it didn't care so much.

The objective to make Japan scream like pigs.

Yeah, dude, I'm not sure if you frequent any other forums, but on this forum those kinds of words simply aren't acceptable.

I'm not going to bother reporting you because I'm sure someone else will, but if you want to remain here as a contributing member you'll need to drastically tone down your rhetoric.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I wonder if China could use African nations as a pivot in the UN. After all, that's how mainland China actually gained legitimacy in the UN in the first place.

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Sierra Leone's Foreign Minister Samura Kamara has called for the peaceful resolution of the South China Sea dispute through friendly negotiations and honoring bilateral agreements and provisions of the declaration on the conduct of parties in the South China Sea.

Talking to Xinhua in an exclusive interview prior to his visit to China starting on Monday, Kamara emphasized the need for all parties to "exercise respect for the rights of each other as sovereign states and contracting states of the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS)".

He also urged international judicial institutions or arbitral tribunals to fully respect declarations of optional exception made by each country under Article 298 of the UNCLOS.

He affirmed that Sierra Leone is behind China in looking forward to a "mutually respectful solution among the parties that are involved in the South China Sea".

Kamara's visit to China follows a visit by Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi to the West African country in August last year.

Samura Kamara described the relationship with China as growing day by day, noting that the relationship is based on mutual respect and understanding each other's concerns.

He said Sierra Leone would further seek support from China in implementing the country's post-Ebola recovery program as well as in areas including agriculture, education, water resources, revival of the private enterprise and the health sector so that the country will not fall victim to what happened during the Ebola crisis.

He also paid tribute to China's support to the country mentioning the Parliament's building, the national stadium and the newly constructed foreign affairs ministry edifice as some of the symbols of China's contributions to Sierra Leone's development.

Samura Kamara was also thankful to the Chinese support in the country's Ebola crisis which he said helped "galvanize" international support.

 

[tidalwave]

An actual war would be a disaster for China and the rest of the world.

In the aftermath, think of how much money will then get sucked into arms spending when there are many more pressing needs.

And the broader geopolitical aftereffects will threaten China's plan to lift hundreds of millions from poverty to the middle-class and to move up the technology value chain - to become a wealthy and prosperous hi-tech nation.

Remember that such a China would have an economy some 3x-4x larger than the USA, and would almost certainly have economic and military primacy in Asia

The objective is not to make the Japanese "scream like pigs" as you say.

It is to persuade Japan that they are better off by aligning with China than the USA, through a combination of both carrots and sticks.

Picking on Japan has strategic value in itself. Picking on Japan doesn't mean war and US has no obligation to help it because Japan being picked on,

Picking on Japan does not mean full assualt on its navy or capture the island in itself.

Shadow Boxing is the name of the game.

US picked on China so, China will pick on Japan.

 

[solarz]

Picking on Japan has strategic value in itself. Picking on Japan doesn't mean war and US has no obligation to help it because Japan being picked on,

Picking on Japan does not mean full assualt on its navy or capture the island in itself.

Shadow Boxing is the name of the game.

US picked on China so, China will pick on Japan.

I think you might be getting too carried away. It's not always a good idea to replicate the tactics of an adversary. Short of an open war, Japan is quite capable of enforcing its own maritime claims. In fact, acting without US material support would only reinforce the imperialist fantasies of Abe and his ilk.

China has different goals in SCS and the Diaoyu Islands. China's goals in the SCS is to establish a permanent forward operation base in the region. Its goals with regards to the Diaoyu Islands is to bring Japan to the negotiation table. The US has yet another goal in both theatres, which can be summed up as delaying the advancement of the PLAN as much as possible. I would venture that the true purpose of all those FON missions is to gather intel on the Chinese military installations.

 

[tidalwave]

I think you might be getting too carried away. It's not always a good idea to replicate the tactics of an adversary. Short of an open war, Japan is quite capable of enforcing its own maritime claims. In fact, acting without US material support would only reinforce the imperialist fantasies of Abe and his ilk.
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lol, I am calling it what I see. This is what China implementing currently. It has nothing me carried away. I couldn't bother to post if there isn't a new trend developing.

tit-for-tat strategy. US ships getting close to Chinese island and Chinese ships close to Diayutai.

They are widely discussing this strategy.

This ain't my call.. just telling it as it is.

 

[solarz]

lol, I am calling it what I see. This is what China implementing currently. It has nothing me carried away. I couldn't bother to post if there isn't a new trend developing.

tit-for-tat strategy. US ships getting close to Chinese island and Chinese ships close to Diayutai.

They are widely discussing this strategy.

This ain't my call.. just telling it as it is.

I would say one incident of a frigate passing near Diaoyu Island is a far cry from a strategy. We should wait and see.

 

[ahojunk]

China is quite active on the diplomatic front lately....

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2016-06-14 20:26:59 Xinhua Web Editor: Fei Fei

China Tuesday thanked countries for their support on the South China Sea issue.

Sierra Leone and Kenya recently announced their approval of China's stance. The number of countries that support China now amounts to 60.

"We appreciate these countries for their understanding of right and wrong and belief in fairness and justice," Foreign Ministry spokesperson Lu Kang said at a daily press briefing.

"The so-called South China Sea issue is an issue between China and littoral countries of the South China Sea," said Lu, adding that China has opposed the internationalization of the South China Sea issue from the very beginning.

Both the 2002 Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC) and the "dual-track approach" recently offered by ASEAN advocate friendly and direct negotiation by the countries directly involved, Lu said.

"Following this path, freedom and security of navigation in the area have never been a problem," Lu said.

"Manipulation of public opinion cannot cover the truth," Lu said, stressing that international society will not be represented by seven or eight countries.

Lu said in recent years, certain countries have deliberately produced tension in the region for their own benefit.

"They incite individual countries in the region to break their promises. In the name of 'protecting rules', they are undermining rules and international law," Lu said.

 

[AeroEngineer]

Great Move China !