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Brumby
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The issue is not whether ethnicity is closely correlated to a country but whether opinion on a country is formed based on policies of a country as opposed to the ethnicity of a country. Further, the discussion is not about how opinions are developed within a community.
Meaning of words might change over rime through usage but that doesn’t mean you can bend it to breaking point. The word vendetta is a combination of two key components i.e. history and prospective actions as a result of the former. You are attempting to change the meaning to incorporate the former and not the latter associated component which defines the word.
I have selectd two credible source in the definition of the word and they are consistent with what I have described
A blood feud in which the family of a murdered person seeks vengeance on the murderer or the murderer’s family.
Origin : Mid 19th century: from Italian, from Latin vindicta 'vengeance'.
"an often prolonged series of retaliatory, vengeful, or hostile acts or exchange of such acts"
In other words it is not just about bad history but prospective acts of vengeance. Please show me a credible source that defines the meaning of vendetta according to your description.
You are attempting to reframe the issue into a political leaning and opinion discussion. The issue is about targeting an ethnicity and associating it with some behavioural tendencies i.e. vendetta. That is groundless, absurd, irrational, and racist.
China Is Planning a Massive Sea Lab 10,000 Feet Underwater
Bloomberg News
June 7, 2016 — 3:00 PM PDT
If implemented, station could go up to 3,000 meters deep
Mining, military uses for project with no firm timetable
China is speeding up efforts to design and build a manned deep-sea platform to help it hunt for minerals in the South China Sea, one that may also serve a military purpose in the disputed waters.
QuickTake Territorial Disputes
Such an oceanic “space station” would be located as much as 3,000 meters (9,800 feet) below the surface, according to a recent Science Ministry presentation viewed by Bloomberg. The project was mentioned in China’s current five-year economic plan released in March and ranked number two on a list of the top 100 science and technology priorities.
Authorities recently examined the implementation of the project and decided to accelerate the process, according to the presentation.
"Having this kind of long-term inhabited station has not been attempted this deep, but it is certainly possible," said Bryan Clark, a senior fellow at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. "Manned submersibles have gone to those depths for almost 50 years. The challenge is operating it for months at a time."
So far there are few public details, including a specific time line, any blueprints or a cost estimate -- or where in the waterway it might be located. Still, China under President Xi Jinping has asserted itself more strenuously in the South China Sea, one of the world’s busiest shipping routes. Its claims to more than 80 percent of the waters and the creation of artificial islands covering 3,200 acres have inflamed tensions with nations including Vietnam and the Philippines.
Shipping Lane
It has also led the U.S. to send ships from its Seventh Fleet to ensure freedom of passage through an area that carries $5.3 trillion of global trade a year.
While China’s appetite for natural resources remains the driving force behind the project, the recent ministry presentation noted the platform would be movable, and used for military purposes. China has proposed a network of sensors called the "Underwater Great Wall Project” to help detect U.S. and Russian submarines, say analysts at IHS Jane’s.
‘Important Strategy’
"To develop the ocean is an important strategy for the Chinese government, but the deep sea space station is not designed against any country or region," said Xu Liping, a senior researcher for Southeast Asian affairs at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, a government-run institute.
"China’s project will be mainly for civil use, but we can’t rule out it will carry some military functions,” Xu said. “Many countries in the world have been researching these kind of deep water projects and China is just one of those nations."
When analysts look at the South China Sea, they tend to focus on the potential for oil and gas reserves as estimates for mineral deposits are sketchy. The U.S. Energy Information Administration says the area has proved and probable reserves of about 11 billion barrels of oil and 190 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.
China’s estimates dwarf those. In 2012, Cnooc Ltd.’s then-chairman estimated the area holds around 125 billion barrels of oil and 500 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.
Typhoon Challenge
While most of the undiscovered oil lies in coastal regions that aren’t disputed, the contested areas face geological and technological challenges, not least the depth of the waters and frequency of typhoons.
Spearheading the planning for the deep-sea station is the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation, according to a statement on the website of the science ministry. Once operational, it would host dozens of crew members who could remain underwater for up to a month, the ministry’s presentation separately said.
China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation and the ministry did not reply to faxes seeking comment.
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Planning has been under way for a decade and is central to China’s push to become a global technology superpower by 2030, according to the presentation. Completing it would help China close a deep sea exploration gap with the U.S., Japan, France and Russia on underwater technology. China has already logged successes, with its Jiaolong submersible setting a world record by descending 7 kilometers in 2012.
The ministry presentation didn’t give any estimated price tag but Bryan Clark, who formerly served as special assistant to the chief of U.S. naval operations, said the cost could be daunting and its vulnerability to detection would make it less attractive militarily than using a submarine or an unmanned vehicle.
China spent 1.42 trillion yuan ($216 billion) on state and privately-funded research and development in 2015, according to the National Statistics Bureau, while total defense spending this year is projected by the government to increase 7.6 percent to 954.4 billion yuan ($145 billion).
"The kinds of systems that make sense for deep sea are sensor and communication systems," said Clark. "In the Cold War, the U.S. and USSR spent much effort looking for each others’ communication cables and sensors to disrupt them in peacetime or attack them in war. We can assume those efforts would continue today and into the future."
— With assistance by Keith Zhai, and David Tweed
Bloomberg News
June 7, 2016 — 3:00 PM PDT
If implemented, station could go up to 3,000 meters deep
Mining, military uses for project with no firm timetable
China is speeding up efforts to design and build a manned deep-sea platform to help it hunt for minerals in the South China Sea, one that may also serve a military purpose in the disputed waters.
QuickTake Territorial Disputes
Such an oceanic “space station” would be located as much as 3,000 meters (9,800 feet) below the surface, according to a recent Science Ministry presentation viewed by Bloomberg. The project was mentioned in China’s current five-year economic plan released in March and ranked number two on a list of the top 100 science and technology priorities.
Authorities recently examined the implementation of the project and decided to accelerate the process, according to the presentation.
"Having this kind of long-term inhabited station has not been attempted this deep, but it is certainly possible," said Bryan Clark, a senior fellow at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. "Manned submersibles have gone to those depths for almost 50 years. The challenge is operating it for months at a time."
So far there are few public details, including a specific time line, any blueprints or a cost estimate -- or where in the waterway it might be located. Still, China under President Xi Jinping has asserted itself more strenuously in the South China Sea, one of the world’s busiest shipping routes. Its claims to more than 80 percent of the waters and the creation of artificial islands covering 3,200 acres have inflamed tensions with nations including Vietnam and the Philippines.
Shipping Lane
It has also led the U.S. to send ships from its Seventh Fleet to ensure freedom of passage through an area that carries $5.3 trillion of global trade a year.
While China’s appetite for natural resources remains the driving force behind the project, the recent ministry presentation noted the platform would be movable, and used for military purposes. China has proposed a network of sensors called the "Underwater Great Wall Project” to help detect U.S. and Russian submarines, say analysts at IHS Jane’s.
‘Important Strategy’
"To develop the ocean is an important strategy for the Chinese government, but the deep sea space station is not designed against any country or region," said Xu Liping, a senior researcher for Southeast Asian affairs at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, a government-run institute.
"China’s project will be mainly for civil use, but we can’t rule out it will carry some military functions,” Xu said. “Many countries in the world have been researching these kind of deep water projects and China is just one of those nations."
When analysts look at the South China Sea, they tend to focus on the potential for oil and gas reserves as estimates for mineral deposits are sketchy. The U.S. Energy Information Administration says the area has proved and probable reserves of about 11 billion barrels of oil and 190 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.
China’s estimates dwarf those. In 2012, Cnooc Ltd.’s then-chairman estimated the area holds around 125 billion barrels of oil and 500 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.
Typhoon Challenge
While most of the undiscovered oil lies in coastal regions that aren’t disputed, the contested areas face geological and technological challenges, not least the depth of the waters and frequency of typhoons.
Spearheading the planning for the deep-sea station is the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation, according to a statement on the website of the science ministry. Once operational, it would host dozens of crew members who could remain underwater for up to a month, the ministry’s presentation separately said.
China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation and the ministry did not reply to faxes seeking comment.
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Planning has been under way for a decade and is central to China’s push to become a global technology superpower by 2030, according to the presentation. Completing it would help China close a deep sea exploration gap with the U.S., Japan, France and Russia on underwater technology. China has already logged successes, with its Jiaolong submersible setting a world record by descending 7 kilometers in 2012.
The ministry presentation didn’t give any estimated price tag but Bryan Clark, who formerly served as special assistant to the chief of U.S. naval operations, said the cost could be daunting and its vulnerability to detection would make it less attractive militarily than using a submarine or an unmanned vehicle.
China spent 1.42 trillion yuan ($216 billion) on state and privately-funded research and development in 2015, according to the National Statistics Bureau, while total defense spending this year is projected by the government to increase 7.6 percent to 954.4 billion yuan ($145 billion).
"The kinds of systems that make sense for deep sea are sensor and communication systems," said Clark. "In the Cold War, the U.S. and USSR spent much effort looking for each others’ communication cables and sensors to disrupt them in peacetime or attack them in war. We can assume those efforts would continue today and into the future."
— With assistance by Keith Zhai, and David Tweed
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Jura The idiot
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according to DefenseOne
Now China’s Fake Island Has a Farm
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the google translation (from the link inside, which is ) of
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Now China’s Fake Island Has a Farm
source:
the google translation (from the link inside, which is ) of
shows
to me, so is there a farm on
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I'm going to take a step back because I'm not exactly sure what your position is anymore. I'll restate my position and you can re counter it more clearly:
I'm saying that one's opinions on a variety of matters (not limited to political or geopolitical matters) are influenced by their ethnic background, and that ethnic background in turn often has a significant relationship with the majority opinions of said ethnic group from their nation of origin.
[There are of course a variety of factors to consider such as the historical diaspora of an ethnic group, when an individual left their ethnic group's home nation such as prior to any major political or cultural changes, and the degree of ethnic upbringing an individual experienced if they were raised outside of their ethnic group's home nation, etc etc]
In other words, I'm not saying that a person's ethnic background must dictate their opinions on all matters, merely that it is reasonable to say that a person's ethnic background may influence their opinions on some matters.
I believe that is a very reasonable and logical position to take.
2.
any prolonged and bitter feud, rivalry, contention, or the like:
a political vendetta.
Of course, the first definition is also as follows:
1.
a private feud in which the members of the family of a murderedperson seek to avenge the murder by killing the slayer or one of the slayer's relatives, especially such vengeance as once practiced in Corsica and parts of
Italy.
Similarly, from
1. a private , originally between or families, in which the relatives of a person by the murderer or some member of his family
2. any feud, , etc
So I think I'm well within my rights to interpret the word Vendetta in the way which I described it:
"as a prolonged bitter or negative history between two groups, not necessarily seeking to injure one another explicitly".
Besides, did you really think I would make such a claim about the meaning of a word without having a few sources to back me up first?
If I had checked sources as not supporting my position then I'd clearly state it and acknowledge that my interpretation of the word vendetta originally was incorrect.
I'm not sure what you mean by "political leaning and opinion discussion".
Your assertions which I took exception to, was whether it is reasonable to suggest that one's ethnic background has an influence on their opinions and behaviours.
My academic background is firmly rooted in psychology (especially social psychology) and sociology, so for me this is less about politics than a result of my own education in social science at large.
If you are willing to agree that one's ethnic background has an influence on their opinions and behaviours, then that will remove the major quarrel underlying this discussion.
From there, you can say Insignius' post was too personal (against the Admiral), was off topic, or even accuse it of being flamebait, and I would not have major issue with it. But if you're accusing the logic or the social science behind his assertions as being groundless, absurd, irrational and racist, then this discussion is going to continue to be a long one.
Actually, @Brumby, you know what, I'm going to drop it here.
I'm not sure what your opinion is regarding my bottom line, but this is a particular topic which I actually don't have too much personal investment in apart from my value of social sciences and psychology in particular.
So I'm going to voluntarily bow out of this one, because while I'm sure I can definitely keep up a long discussion with you on the topic, it's not one which is that interesting for me.
Back on topic.
The Pew Global Attitudes survey from last year asked whether people think China will or has replaced the USA as the world’s leading superpower. See below
The results from the Philippines, Vietnam and Japan are hugely negative about China. And these results are very much outliers from the views held in the rest of Asia and the rest of the world.
There is always a time lag between changes in the world versus the views held by the average person, but I suspect it is more a case about those countries being in denial.
It simply doesn't square with the situation we see today, where China has already passed the US in most metrics of *economic power*, yet is still growing far faster as it is still a relatively poorer developing economy.
So what does this mean for China's strategy?
If China continues to focus on internal economic development and reform, we will likely end up at a situation where the Philippines, Vietnam and Japan can no longer maintain their old prejudices against the reality of a dominant China in the Western Pacific. At that point, there will be a sea-change in relations as they become more conciliatory towards China.
But of course, that all depends on China becoming a wealthy middle-class and hi-tech country that is far larger than the US in the future. It therefore makes sense to move the SCS to the back-burner as much as possible.
The Pew Global Attitudes survey from last year asked whether people think China will or has replaced the USA as the world’s leading superpower. See below
The results from the Philippines, Vietnam and Japan are hugely negative about China. And these results are very much outliers from the views held in the rest of Asia and the rest of the world.
There is always a time lag between changes in the world versus the views held by the average person, but I suspect it is more a case about those countries being in denial.
It simply doesn't square with the situation we see today, where China has already passed the US in most metrics of *economic power*, yet is still growing far faster as it is still a relatively poorer developing economy.
So what does this mean for China's strategy?
If China continues to focus on internal economic development and reform, we will likely end up at a situation where the Philippines, Vietnam and Japan can no longer maintain their old prejudices against the reality of a dominant China in the Western Pacific. At that point, there will be a sea-change in relations as they become more conciliatory towards China.
But of course, that all depends on China becoming a wealthy middle-class and hi-tech country that is far larger than the US in the future. It therefore makes sense to move the SCS to the back-burner as much as possible.
Brumby
Major
There is a major difference between China doesn't care and the false narrative that the arbitral commission has no legal standing to make the determination.