China's SCS Strategy Thread

mr.bean

Junior Member
ROCN can easily finish off the Philippine navy and coast guard without breaking a sweat. the reason why Taipei can't do anything regards to the Philippines is direct pressure from the united states. for those of you who understand Chinese check out tv interviews of legislator/political commentator Qiu Yi. he is nicknamed '' king of revealing inside information'' in Taiwan because he has so many sources from govt who give him confidential information to leak out and he is very accurate. I watched one interview where he described how the chairman of the American institute of Taiwan (defacto US embassy) Raymond Burghardt pressure senior members of the Ma yingjeou administration to have ''restraint'' when dealing with the Philippines after their coast guard gunned down a Taiwan fisherman last year. Qiu Yi's information is very reliable because in this incident there were only 4 senior Taiwan officials in that room with Raymond Burghardt and Qiu Yi wasn't there but he was able to give an account of what happened in that meeting. so it is obvious his source is one of those four officials in that room.
 

Blitzo

Lieutenant General
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If I remember well around 3/4 of people were against signing CSSTA in March so I suppose that most of them think - keep mainland China's economy away from our little island! It's not only students who protest. The core of Taiwanese economy, which is the core of every healthy and sound economy which Taiwanese surely is, are small to medium businesses which also feel 'threat' of mainland money and cheaper manpower which they obviously can't compete with. Some 12k new workplaces created, as those were the numbers used by the government, surely won't emulate the amount of the sacked workers in the coming years on Taiwan.

Reports about rallies were saying about 100-500k protesting. I can only call this number gigantic in 23 million country when it comes to number of people ready to go the streets and voice their minds about something. Of course there are various groups but the main message is 'we don't want closer economic ties with mainland China'. They just don't want entire Taiwan to become 'China Times'.

I think the most consistent numbers are about 100k. I've seen 500k at a few places but those seem massively inflated.

I'm not going to argue whether the CSSTA is good for Taiwan economically or not (that can be spun either way), however I'd argue that the current protests are as emotionally and fear driven as they are uncoordinated (just look at their repeatedly escalating demands). If they were serious about democracy, they could vote in a party that would be able to either repeal or otherwise dismantle any agreement Ma makes, instead of breaking into the executive yuan like a bunch of hooligans.

Anyway this is way OT and very political, so it is probably best to end it here.
 

port_08

Junior Member
I think the most consistent numbers are about 100k. I've seen 500k at a few places but those seem massively inflated.

I'm not going to argue whether the CSSTA is good for Taiwan economically or not (that can be spun either way), however I'd argue that the current protests are as emotionally and fear driven as they are uncoordinated (just look at their repeatedly escalating demands). If they were serious about democracy, they could vote in a party that would be able to either repeal or otherwise dismantle any agreement Ma makes, instead of breaking into the executive yuan like a bunch of hooligans.

Anyway this is way OT and very political, so it is probably best to end it here.

Making the loudest noise isn't always right. If they are serious, they should vote for it, they should respect the other 51% who voted for Ma. If not, then any Tom Dick and Harry can just occupy government building and government of the day completely become dysfunctional as what happen to Thailand. It's the shadowy brokers at the background instigating, black hand that usually promote these stuffs.
 

Rutim

Banned Idiot
Making the loudest noise isn't always right. If they are serious, they should vote for it, they should respect the other 51% who voted for Ma.
You forgot that you don't vote in parliamentary or presidental elections every month... They should make the loudest noise they can when they feel that government don't do what most of the people think is right for thier country - that's basis of democracy.
 

port_08

Junior Member
Young people on Taiwan spoke their minds recently with the biggest rallies in the modern history of Taiwan. And it wasn't pro-Chinese but completely opposite... Nothing changed there in almost 70 years when it comes to their views on 'big brother' from the continent and I don't know what could turn people there more towards PRC. Maybe Russians landing on Taiwan?

PRC using the carrot & sticks approach. They have given sticks before when they are economically poor, now they are trying carrot when richer....usually alternating between these 2.

Taiwan military has to buy more hardwares, because one day, PRC will be overwhelming superior militarily and that would be problematic and temptation for PRC to take Taiwan by force.

Just imagine 2 PRC aircraft carrier parking east coast of Taiwan, 4 or 5 Zubrs, 30+ destroyers, couple of squadron of J-20s and DF-21s TEL roaming about and SC19s scanning US/Taiwanese satellites above, 2 SSBNs in the pacific when Taiwan "independence" comes to fore.
 
You forgot that you don't vote in parliamentary or presidental elections every month... They should make the loudest noise they can when they feel that government don't do what most of the people think is right for thier country - that's basis of democracy.

Making noise is one thing, causing physical gridlock is a different, much more unproductive behavior. All the "democracy" and "freedom" talk being thrown around ignores the fact that most "democracies" are republics where the masses elect and are led by representatives which are only one component in the structure of the government.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Making noise is one thing, causing physical gridlock is a different, much more unproductive behavior. All the "democracy" and "freedom" talk being thrown around ignores the fact that most "democracies" are republics where the masses elect and are led by representatives which are only one component in the structure of the government.

Most of our (US) representatives aren't competent in running the government, they're mainly good at raising money and getting elected.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
One he is suspended at the moment. two that's not how it works as the policy affirms individual donation limits but does not limit to overall donation. IE I can contribute a $5200 donation to a primary candidate but that max's the donation for the individual, this over turn says I can donate that $5200 to however many candidates I please. This effects both right and left as both sides have there moneybags.

now lets get back on topic.
 

port_08

Junior Member
China warned: Don’t try to tow away BRP Sierra Madre
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MANILA, Philippines—China was warned Thursday against trying to tow away the BRP Sierra Madre from Ayungin Shoal, as this could be considered an attack against the Philippines and prompt the United States to defend the country in keeping with their Mutual Defense Treaty.
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The Chinese navy is probably planing to tow away the rusting ship soon if intelligence receive correct. There will probably be some special operation first to evict those soldiers, I think the Phillipines need to quickly act and sent in some support navy to those soldiers. Their lives may be in danger.
 
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