China's SCS Strategy Thread

solarz

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True, but the world is not responsible to ensure that your culture or group of people are adequately provided enough to practice one's tradition regardless where they live. You either have the numbers or you don't. Yes size in population of groups does matter. No it does not mean the end of humanity if a minority group mingled with the majority groups and married one another. In other words, it's not the responsibility of the majority group to ensure that the numbers of minority groups doesn't become too low and end up being extinct by natural outcome (I'm talking purity of an ethnicity depending on one's definition and view of it). Why do I bring this out, because it's a joke that many of these so called "human rights" activist tries to spin it whenever a different ethnic Chinese migrating to live in either Xinjiang or Tibet region, as if the Chinese are "invading" someone else's country. No I am not accusing you of it, I just want to bring it out to make my point that's all.

I agree, and I think that this misguided idea of preserving a dying culture does far more harm than good. Look at the condition of natives in Canada. The government lets them live in economically unsustainable reserves instead of encouraging them to integrate. In addition to costing billions of dollars in tax payer money, those reserves have extremely poor infrastructure, and sky high rates of substance abuse and suicide.

That said, whenever you are changing the way of life of a group of people, even if it is ultimately for the better, you will find tremendous, often violent, resistance. That is just human nature.
 

Daniel707

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Continuation from Indonesian Natuna incident ... ...

@ Daniel707

Thanks so much for the clarification.

I wish more and more Chinese who are living in ASEAN nations ( both the locals Chinese and the visiting Chinese ) will be aware about other Chinese and their own daily unintentional, and yet offensively arrogant, offensively impolite, and offensively rude behaviors towards the native ASEAN people, especially the small working folks, ...such as small street vendors, waitresses, security guards, home servants, cleaners, low skilled labourers, ... ...and so on.

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And, I wish more and more Chinese will display politeness, being very humble by bowing, and show total respect by being the first to initiate warm greetings to the small working folks in the ASEAN nations.

I am absolutely certain that the above daily dosage of super friendly attitude will go along way in reducing the Brewing Animosity towards Chinese in general in all ASEAN nations.

IMHO, ... ...
If more and more Chinese wholeheartedly practise
弟子规 = DI ZI GUI, then PRC and all Chinese in ASEAN nations will have way much brighter future than the present trajectory.


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My LIKE button still is not working, eventhough I have been using Mozilla browser.


Thanks for your concern about Chinese Overseas issue in South-East asia Mr.Greenest GDP.

And Yes, we Chinese people is famed for our Straightforwardly in the eyes of locals.

But, what I see. That's not the Main Problem.
The Main Problem is, Many Overseas Chinese in South east asia countries have Middle to High Income in that countries.
Most have Higher income than the locals.
And that cause Social jealously toward Chinese people from the locals, who have Low to Middle Income.

But, Social jealously issue is not happen in Thailand.
Chinese Thais relationship with the local Thais is the Best in south east asia, I think.
because there is no Big gaps of Income between them.
And also maybe, because 40% of Thai Citizen is partly from Chinese Descent.
 

GreenestGDP

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@ Daniel707 and Others who are concerned


Based on thousand years historical facts ... ...
All local / native citizens of all ASEAN nations are Chinese descendants, including 96% of local / native Malaysian and Indonesian.

If one is willing to expand one's mind and carefully examines ... ...at all the local / native ASEAN citizens FACIAL features, they all have some traces of Chinese facial features. On many, many local / native ASEAN citizens, their Chinese facial traits are very, very prominent. They all have Dragon blood flowing in their veins.

Therefore, I wish all ASEAN nations and PRC can quickly and successfully combine each other economies and Justly and Simultaneously PROSPER together, and Live Harmoniously side by side to build up Mutual 1B1R -- One Belt One Road ... ... stretching from INDONESIA, MALAYSIA, THAILAND, all the way to PAKISTAN, IRAN, RUSSIA and UK, covering all major cities in between before year of 2050.

Do you agree ?


ShangHai, YangShan Container Terminals

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maybe HongKong Container Terminals ?

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solarz

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@ Daniel707 and Others who are concerned


Based on thousand years historical facts ... ...
All local / native citizens of all ASEAN nations are Chinese descendants, including 96% of local / native Malaysian and Indonesian.

If one is willing to expand one's mind and carefully examines ... ...at all the local / native ASEAN citizens FACIAL features, they all have some traces of Chinese facial features. On many, many local / native ASEAN citizens, their Chinese facial traits are very, very prominent. They all have Dragon blood flowing in their veins.

Therefore, I wish all ASEAN nations and PRC can quickly and successfully combine each other economies and Justly and Simultaneously PROSPER together, and Live Harmoniously side by side to build up Mutual 1B1R -- One Belt One Road ... ... stretching from INDONESIA, MALAYSIA, THAILAND, all the way to PAKISTAN, IRAN, RUSSIA and UK, covering all major cities in between before year of 2050.

Do you agree ?

LOL, sounds like the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

Please go take your trolling elsewhere.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
@ Daniel707 and Others who are concerned


Based on thousand years historical facts ... ...
All local / native citizens of all ASEAN nations are Chinese descendants, including 96% of local / native Malaysian and Indonesian.

I can't agree with you about "96% of local". Further, I find you a bit emotional regarding this issue. Please drop the topic before mods step in. It's a bit off topic anyway.
 

Daniel707

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@Mr.Greenest GDP Thanks again for your Explanation and the Pictures :)



Okay Let's back to topic, about China's SCS Strategy.
What I find Interesting is, in the Recent years when China have more "Aggressively" stance in SCS.

Firstly , I think People in the World who see China's Influence Positively will Decreasing.
But, that's not happen.
Actually, People in the World who see China's Influence Positively is Rising.
Maybe, that's happen because many other Factor.
But, as we know. SCS Issue is already become Global Hot trends, and many people who knows China must be know SCS Issue too.

Because I am really concern with Geopolitical issue. I find that's very Interesting.
Maybe, If some "Big" Countries have more Aggressively Stance. The "Respect" from other country will come.
But, that's just my Personal analysis.

Just for intermezzo:

In 2014, 49% of People in the World see China's Influence Positively.
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In 2015, 55% People in the world see China's Influence Positively
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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Not sure if this is true But regardless It shouldn't be big deal because Yongxin was in chinese possession for more than 50 years.

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China Deploys YJ-62 Subsonic Anti-Ship Cruise Missile To South China Sea’s Woody Island
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Soldiers of China's People's Liberation Army Navy patrol at Woody Island, in the Paracel Archipelago, which is known in China as the Xisha Islands, Jan. 29, 2016. Photo: REUTERS/Stringer
China has deployed a subsonic anti-ship cruise missile in South China Sea’s Woody Island amid
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in the disputed region, a report said earlier this week, citing recent imagery. Woody Island is a part of the Paracel Islands, and is largely controlled by China, but Taiwan and Vietnam have also laid claims on the islet.

The deployed Chinese anti-ship cruise missile YJ-62 has the capability to target any vessel within nearly 249 miles of the Woody Island. The image of launching YJ-62 was posted last Sunday on Chinese microblogging website Weibo, and it is consistent with photos copied from one of the many monthly Chinese military magazines that appear on Chinese military issue web pages,
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, a British publishing company that keeps records on military equipment, reported. The YJ-62 launch picture showed a radar dome, indicating that it is on Woody Island, the report added.

According to IHS Jane’s 360, the anti-ship cruise missile was likely deployed at about the same time the China’s HQ-9 surface-to-air missile system was first detected on the island in February. The YJ-62 reportedly arms the Type 052C destroyer launched in 2003.

On Thursday, Shahidan Kassim, Malaysia’s national security minister said about 100 Chinese-registered boats and vessels were detected, intruding into Malaysia's waters near the Luconia Shoals in the South China Sea, state news agency
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reported. The minister added that the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency and the navy assets have been deployed to the area to examine the situation. If the Chinese ships were found to have trespassed into Malaysia’s exclusive economic zone, Kuala Lumpur would take legal action, Shahidan said, according to the news agency.

The
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region has been long contested, with Brunei, China, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam laying claim to various areas. Beijing has been expanding its presence in the disputed area and has built three runways on the Spratly archipelago. However, China has consistently defended its actions, saying it does not have any intentions of starting a conflict and that its aircraft facilities will maintain safety in the region.
 

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Taiwan recently invited foreign journalists on a tour of Itu Aba to support its claim as an island.

Interesting note regarding the aggressive push by Vietnam's military mobile network.

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Taiwan pushes island credentials of South China Sea outpost
Recognition Taiping is not just a rock would bring rights to resource-rich but contested waters


As the C130 Hercules makes a bumpy landing on
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-controlled Taiping island, a small tropical outcrop little longer than its 1.2km runway, mobile phones receive a text message from a Vietnamese network that says “Welcome to Vietnam”.

In the geographical heart of the South China Sea, the location of one of the world’s most troubling territorial disputes, nations are using what means they can to push their claims to this 0.5 sq km island, the largest natural feature in the southern Spratly chain.

Vietnam is projecting its military-owned mobile phone network, while buying submarines and fighters from Russia to transform its attack capabilities. Mighty China is investing even more on its armed forces, buying hardware and building and fortifying its own artificial islands.

The Philippines is pinning its hopes on the vagaries of international maritime law, bringing an arbitration case against Beijing.

But Taiwan, which cannot use international law because most countries do not recognise it as a sovereign state, is turning to more prosaic weapons to support its claim to Taiping and the potentially resource-rich sea around it: the availability of fresh water, free-roaming goats and bird faeces.

“From this layer of historical guano, you can see that our soil has the potential for agriculture and that means we can support human life,” says Wang Mao-Lin, commander of the Taiwanese coast guard unit that runs Taiping, as he shows around the first group of journalists allowed on the island.

That the fight over some of the world's most important waters, which contain rich fisheries, large potential oil and gas reserves and key global shipping routes, could be decided on such matters seems absurd.

But back in Taipei, outgoing President Ma Ying-jeou explains the importance of Taiping’s soil quality, livestock and groundwater that is “close to the quality of Evian”.

He says this is proof that Taiping can “sustain human habitation and economic life” and therefore should be considered an island under the UN convention on the law of the sea, granting it a 200-nautical mile exclusive economic zone that includes the rights to exploit fishing grounds and hydrocarbons.

Taiwan has stepped up its efforts to show off Taiping, which lies 1,500km from Taiwan but only 500km from Vietnam and the Philippines, since the Philippines claimed last year during its arbitration case against China that it was just a “rock” that cannot support life and so should only generate 12 miles of territorial waters rather than the expansive economic zone.

Over a lunch of locally grown coconuts, chicken and other Taiping ingredients, Bruce Linghu, Taiwan’s foreign minister, says his government must fight to influence public opinion because it is excluded from The Hague arbitration court hearing the Philippines case and other international bodies at the behest of China, which claims self-governing Taiwan is one of its provinces.

Ian Storey, a fellow at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore, says one of the ironies of Taiwan’s position on Taiping is that it supports China’s increasingly assertive efforts to dominate the waters.

Beijing and Taipei make similar “U-shaped line” claims to almost the entire South China Sea, although China is using its growing military and economic power to enforce its interests, while Taiwan only occupies one island, using its coast guard rather than armed forces.

“Taiwan has to be careful in the South China Sea because they don’t want to be viewed as China’s proxy and they don’t want to alienate the US or anger other Southeast Asian claimants who they want to trade with,” says Mr Storey.

If Taiping is officially an island and none of China’s occupied features are … it could throw the whole focus of the South China Sea disputes back to cross-Strait relations

Jonathan Spangler, South China Sea think-tank
After condemning what it calls China’s efforts to militarise these waters, the US government also criticised Mr Ma’s focus on Taiping, saying it is “extremely unhelpful” and urging Taiwan and all claimants to “lower tensions, rather than taking actions that could raise them”.

Jonathan Spangler, director of the South China Sea think-tank in Taipei, says the fight over Taiping’s status has much wider implications because it is the biggest natural feature in the Spratlys and the only one with a serious claim to be an island in international law.

He points out that while China has built a much bigger air base on reclaimed land at nearby Fiery Cross Reef, such man-made features cannot generate an exclusive economic zone.

“If Taiping is officially an island and none of China’s occupied features are considered islands by international law, it could throw the whole focus of the South China Sea disputes back to cross-Strait relations,” he says.
 

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Tiny Island at Center of South China Sea Tussle Seeks Status

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While warships and fishing fleets jockey for dominance of the South China Sea, the 200-odd residents of Itu Aba eke out their days growing vegetables and baking pizza.

With such mundane rituals of daily life, Taiwan sustains a toehold to a strategic struggle that has drawn in the militaries of China and and the U.S. Now, six decades after establishing an outpost on this 510-square-meter (5,500-square-feet) speck of sand, the government in far-off Taipei is seeking to prove it’s an island capable of supporting human life.

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Taiwanese soldiers ride past a sign reading "the sovereignty" on Itu Aba
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"I’m really happy to play a part in upholding our nation’s sovereignty here," said Lin Fang-tzu, 28, who moved the 1,600 kilometers (1,000 miles) from southern Taiwan eight months ago to serve as an anesthesiology nurse at the island’s Nansha Hospital.

The legal status of islands, rocks and reefs scattered across the South China Sea has taken on new significance as the region braces for a ruling from an international tribunal that could upend a complex web of territorial disputes. The United Nation’s Permanent Court of Arbitration could in the next few months decide on claims by the Philippines that the Spratly Islands are uninhabitable rocks and thus don’t confer rights to exploit surrounding resources.

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The Philippine case is aimed at China, which has embarked on a large-scale land reclamation program in the waters and built up its military presence. The U.S., which says it doesn’t take sides on individual claims, has sought to assert free navigation rights by sailing warships through the key shipping corridor, drawing protests from China.

Caught in the middle is Itu Aba, or Taiping Island, which is the largest naturally occurring feature in the chain, and Taiwan, whose claims provide the foundation for China’s. The so-called nine-dashed line that Beijing provides to assert sovereignty over more than 80 percent of the sea was drafted by the Republic of China government just before civil war forced it to retreat to Taipei in 1949.

"Legally speaking, both China and Taiwan can ignore, but politically both cannot, because of international publicity and discourse under international law," research fellow Yann-huei Song of Taiwan’s Academia Sinica said by e-mail.

Taiwan has in recent months rushed to prove to the world that Itu Aba, which is dominated by a 1,500-meter (5,000-foot) airstrip, should be considered an island under international law. On Wednesday, Taiwan for the first time allowed journalists to visit the outpost claimed by China, the Philippines and Vietnam.

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Armed Taiwan coast guard members stand around a C-130 transport plane
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"There’s no need to declare our sovereignty over Taiping Island, we’ve been running it successfully for 60 years," President Ma Ying-jeou told reporters after the trip. "We’re just saying on the issue of whether it’s a rock or an island, at least get the facts straight." Ma, who’s leaving office in May, didn’t accompany them to the island.

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Taiwan, which isn’t recognized as a country, hasn’t been allowed to participate in the Philippine case. China has dismissed the arbitration as "unlawful, unfaithful and unreasonable" and refused to challenge it in court.

As part of his lobbying effort, Ma visited Itu Aba in February to highlight signs of life. Besides a runway and hospital, the island features a wharf, completed in December, and a small solar-power plant. The armed service personnel, health workers and others who live their grow crops such as okra, plantains and papaya. At last count, there were 14 goats.

Lin was one of three nurses who answered Ma’s call this year to move their housing registration to Itu Aba. A key issue under the law is whether the island can produce fresh water -- the food produced there was presented as evidence the sweet, clear liquid flowing from the taps was potable.

"It was amazing to see baking ovens here and we make pizzas and cakes all the time," Lin said. "Sure, the coffee has a strange and interesting flavor. The thing I miss most though is bubble tea."
 

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China appears to be enforcing its rights to fish around the disputed Luconia Shoals.

100 Chinese boats ‘in Malaysian waters’ of disputed South China Sea: Beijing says ‘it’s fishing season’, analysts say it’s a message

About 100 China-registered boats were detected encroaching into Malaysian waters near the Luconia Shoals in the South China Sea on Thursday.

Shahidan Kassim, a minister in charge of national security, said his government had dispatched the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency and the navy to the area to monitor the situation, the country’s Bernama news agency reported.

Shahidan did not give further information on the nature of the Chinese vessels and their specific locations, but warned that legal enforcement action would be taken if the Chinese vessels were found to have entered Malaysia’s exclusive economic zone.

China’s foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said at a regular briefing that he did not “understand the details” of what the Malaysian government had said about the matter.

“What I want to point out is that now is the fishing season in the South China Sea ... At this time of year, every year, Chinese trawlers are in the relevant waters carrying out normal fishing activities,” Hong said.

The incident comes just days after Indonesia detained eight Chinese fishermen it accused of operating illegally in its waters.

Unlike other Asean countries, such as Vietnam and the Philippines, who have been the most vocal in expressing their concerns and anger over China’s growing assertiveness, Malaysia and Indonesia have so far largely avoided being caught up in the tensions.

The confrontation comes as Beijing steps up territorial claims in the disputed waters. Luo Baoming, the party chief of

Hainan (海南) province, said at the recent annual National People’s Congress that China was encouraging its fishermen to venture into the South China Sea by offering subsidies and security training.

“For this to come so soon after the Indonesian incident, I think it’s beyond a stretch of the imagination to say this is a coincidence. I think this has to be something which has a higher level of authority behind it ,” said Euan Graham, director of the international security programme at the Lowy Institute in Australia.

“It’s a very staged message in that sense from China… these are waters where China will fish at will or else.”

He said that in addition to fishing vessels, the coastguard and probably the military were involved.

Li Mingjiang, from the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies at the Nanyang Technological University in Singapore, said though disputes between fishermen and authorities in the countries involved were common in the South China Sea, China’s move would have a negative impact on Sino-Malaysian ties if the military were involved.

But Zhuang Guotu, director of Xiamen University’s Centre for Southeast Asian Studies, said the confrontation was unlikely to do much damage to ties between China and Malaysia, as China was Malaysia’s biggest trade partner.
 
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