China's SCS Strategy Thread

tamsen_ikard

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China's biggest problem in foreign policy has always been naivety and conservatism. They essentially believed too much about the "international system" and "rules based order". They just didn't think vitriol and hatred are a big part of foreign policy as well. They probably never thought philippines will be this aggressive in its pursuit of anti-china policies.

They constantly underestimated the anti-china hatred in the west and us vassal countries in the east.

Whether its canada, australia, korea, philippines there has been a constant failure of imagination of how much they hate China.

Anyways, hopefully they learn lessons and start to realize that taking more assertive position and action is the best way forward. Hopefully we will see wolf warrior 2.0
 

august1

New Member
China's biggest problem in foreign policy has always been naivety and conservatism. They essentially believed too much about the "international system" and "rules based order". They just didn't think vitriol and hatred are a big part of foreign policy as well. They probably never thought philippines will be this aggressive in its pursuit of anti-china policies.

They constantly underestimated the anti-china hatred in the west and us vassal countries in the east.

Whether its canada, australia, korea, philippines there has been a constant failure of imagination of how much they hate China.

Anyways, hopefully they learn lessons and start to realize that taking more assertive position and action is the best way forward. Hopefully we will see wolf warrior 2.0
I don't blame them. This is how Chinese people who haven't lived abroad think in general. They believe the world is full of China-loving laowais or agnostic laowais that will love China if they would only come and see it for themselves.
 

cft4201

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The problem is the Chinese populous has been fed way too many narrative (sometimes by people who claim to be "military experts" on popular social media platforms) about how the PLA is invincible and cannot make any mistakes, setting unrealistic expectations. So whenever anything negative happens even in the slightest a lot of people take it as the end of the world.

Maybe it's also time for the top brass to reconsider what narratives that official propaganda will broadcast. To not be afraid to showcase and frame more realistic scenarios. And at the same time crack down on slop channels that cultivate the belief of invincibility in the first place.
 

AsuraGodFiend

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The problem is the Chinese populous has been fed way too many narrative (sometimes by people who claim to be "military experts" on popular social media platforms) about how the PLA is invincible and cannot make any mistakes, setting unrealistic expectations. So whenever anything negative happens even in the slightest a lot of people take it as the end of the world.

Maybe it's also time for the top brass to reconsider what narratives that official propaganda will broadcast. To not be afraid to showcase and frame more realistic scenarios. And at the same time crack down on slop channels that cultivate the belief of invincibility in the first place.
That dangerous wtf what are those slop channels doing are they retarded
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Yes? That’s how Anglo-Saxons own your country.

Thats falling for the endlessly repeated western MSM logical fallacy. Might doesn’t equal right, but if you go out of your way to provoke an infinitely stronger power, you only have yourself to blame if you push them too far and end up finding out.

The American tactic basically the same as all the trash tier rage baiting YouTube bottom feeders who send out one of their hood rat pests to provoke people into reacting.

I think it’s way past time China stop trying to pretend it’s a cute and cuddly panda all the time and embrace its dragon true form.

Sometimes a superpower needs to overreact to make a point to get the little opportunistic powers in line or else it will get distracted by them all darting in and out to take little nibbles. It’s human nature that in order to be truly respected, you need to be more than a little feared.
 

cft4201

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That dangerous wtf what are those slop channels doing are they retarded
I mean, slop channels exist anywhere in the world but in China the internet environment allows such videos or posts to become very popular. And they can be spread by people who watch them on other social media such as wechat, douyin, etc.

You can see us debunking rumors constantly on this forum as well, which originate from the Chinese internet.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Sigh. Looks like my posts in this echo chamber have been deleted. Badge of honour, I guess.
You guess wrong. It was to protect you from the avalanche.
Perhaps I just need to parrot what's in Global Times? Or what I see on China's jingoist internet?
You could just shut up and mind your own business.
Before I leave you guys for good, here's the KFX Plan For Peace in the South China Sea.
1) China abandons the bases it has illegally built on SCS atolls.
You can abandon the things your country owns, but we won't.
2) China abandons 9-dash line claims - they are globally opposed
By "globally" you mean the few countries under Western control.
3) Countries with an SCS interest - Brunei, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam - sit down to hash out claims as equals.
Under Chinese stewardship of course.
Ideally SCS could become a vast nature reserve under international protection.
Name of drug you're on?
4) And, to ensure the pro-CCP moderators block me again,
To protect you from the mountain of Chinese boots that came for your face...
China needs to recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state.
We need to? And what happens if we do not meet this "need?"
It is a country and its citizens don't want to be part of China,
Then it needs to declare its independence. All it needs to do is bravely say it and face the consequences.
particularly given how CCP screwed Hong Kong.
Hong Kong has no value if it were not a gateway into China.
If China follows this it will be win-win for all in the new era of common destiny!
"Common"? It's not our destiny. Doesn't seem common to Russia either, or much of the global south. It seems this fantasy is common only to a few of your select countries.

Oh you forgot the most important steps! USA/Israel returns all lands to native Americans/Palestinians.
And yet it's not.
Fun fact: CCP is responsible for far more Chinese deaths than the Japanese invasion and foreign powers during the CCP's precious "Century of Humiliation." Land Reform, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, Tianamen massacre.
Fun fact: family can forgive our own errors but others must pay.
And, if Xi starts a war in the SCS or over Taiwan, the amount of blood on the CCP's hands will only grow.
It's ok. That's how human history is made.
It's not foreigners that Chinese have to worry about, but the CCP.
Because we're worried about fighting for our own countries benefit and wish to be ruled by some courts in Europe?
Sigh, I can feel the deletion coming...
I wish it were not; you deserve to read the responses... if you don't run away.
The Chinese people are awesome:
Oh yes we are.
it's the CCP that's the real villian in all this.
Fun fact: the CCP is made of Chinese people and supported by the Chinese people. Separating them is a mistake made by those who fear Chinese power and imagine that China is divided.
Tip: use your VPN, and look up Land Reform, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, and Tiananmen Massacre. Also, get your hands on this book: The Private Life of Chairman Mao. In 1972 he was visited by Japanes PM (in the wake of Nixon's visit), who apologised for WWII atrocities. "Don't worry about it," replied Mao. "If not for Japan's invasion we never would have beat the Nationalists."
Tip: Whatever. Literally doesn't matter. All that matters is that China becomes the most powerful country in the world.
I'm really out this time.
Out of your mind you mean.
I'll be back next time a PLAN ship rams another Chinese ship in the international waters of The West Philippine Sea (or East Sea as its called in Vietnam). :p
I'm sorry to provide you only such rare instances when you require negative energy to feed on to bloom. Must be painful for you watching China succeed all the time so you don't even dare come here regularly... :eek:
 

Engineer

Major
The Chinese side is the one that had a naval destroyer as part of the fray, so no, the onus is very much on them to be expected to not have a destroyer be in a situation where it can be part of a collision.
That is more of our expectation rather than an onus on the part of the destroyer. Judging from its armament and propulsion, it was not there to deal with the PCG ship. However, since it is sent, there must be constraints on where it could go. In SCS there are often foreign naval vessels "exercising FON" so the destroyer can't just leave. The argument that the destroyer is at fault for not leaving just doesn't work no matter how you many times you repeat it.

There are any number of areas in which the Chinese side could have made a mistake, whether it is overarching rules of engagement, to relay of commands, to competency of personnel or CO.
If the PCG's movements were insufficiently accounted for in existing ROEs then that is a problem with the ROEs, but ultimately still a problem on the Chinese side for being insufficiently forward thinking, as "aggressive movements and provocations of opposing coast guard vessels" should be one of the most basic and fundamental things to account for in these SCS tussles.
The issue isn't whether something could happen but how likely it is to happen. Given PLAN's institutional track record, standard competency of personnel and reasonable rules of engagement should be the base assumptions. Baseless speculation on deviations are as waste of time as worrying about being striked by lightning.

What more likely happened is that the Filippnos are already accustomed to Chinese rules of engagement to stay one step ahead.
 
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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Did you guys watch the news? A US destroyer entered Huangyan's territorial water. I think this explains why 164 was there from the first place

Of course, it is still a mistake to let it get too involved in the fight between CCG and PCG.
In that case, it's an even bigger mistake for it to get involved like it did. Its mission was overall situational awareness and deterence against the US destroyer, ready to meet it with peer or higher level lethality should the situation call for it. Its eyes should have been completely on the American threat, entrusting the bandit chase job to the CGC. Getting baited into going after the roach boat was highly unprofessional if it is true that it was there to balance and deter American power.
 
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