China's SCS Strategy Thread

[coolgod]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1804464955149709484

Statement of Chinese Coast Guard spokesperson Jay Tarriela explaining how the bolos and knives were not used to threaten Filipino special forces but to damage the rim to prevent the resupply mission.

I wonder how the pinoys will explain June 17th when PLAN gets even closer to the Philippines.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

An honest and frank appraisal of the PH military and the potential fate the country awaits if it goes ahead with it's quixotic pursuit of anti-China policies as an ancillary or extension to the American policy of containment.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1804764761000976829

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1804764765157568603

 

[plawolf]

Again Sir what is their mission, to reinforce the delapilated ship? If yes then the one who planned it deserves to be shot. With logistical constraints they will become a liability and a waste of precious resources.

The Chinese were never that bothered about genuine humanitarian resupply of the Philippines soldiers on the ship. What the Philippines have been doing is smuggling building materials in under the guise of provisions resupply trying to build a concrete fort under the hull of the ship. That is what is crossing the line and what China will not tolerate.

 

[9dashline]

In the interest of integrity and fact finding regarding the dispute between China and the Philippines one thing that's been repeated over and over again is the constant use and repetition of the "UNCLOS ruling" which supposed to have affirmed and confirmed the legality and sovereignty of the islands currently in dispute between China and the Philippines. But in actual reading of the said ruling document from what I remembered, the International court implicitly said that its ruling of the matter was not on SOVEREIGNITY. A quick search on google on this report seems to have been scrubbed so I decided to go and search for the ruling documents on the main source itself and this is what I found:

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PAGES 58-59

Existence of a Dispute concerning Interpretation and Application of the Convention 153.

The Tribunal next considered whether there is a dispute between the Parties concerning the interpretation or application of the Convention, which is the basis for the dispute settlement mechanisms of the Convention.83 In so doing, the Tribunal considered two objections set out in China’s Position Paper: first, that the Parties’ dispute is actually about sovereignty over the islands of the South China Sea and therefore not a matter concerning the Convention, and second, that the Parties’ dispute is actually about the delimitation of the maritime boundary between them and therefore excluded from dispute settlement by an exception set out in the Convention that States may activate by declaration. China activated the exception for disputes concerning sea boundary delimitations when it made a declaration in 2006. 154. With respect to the former objection, the Tribunal noted that there is a dispute between the Parties regarding sovereignty over islands, but held that the matters submitted to arbitration by the Philippines do not concern sovereignty.84 The Tribunal considered it to be expected that the Philippines and China would have disputes regarding multiple subjects, but emphasised that the Tribunal did not accept that “it follows from the existence of a dispute over sovereignty that sovereignty is also the appropriate characterisation of the claims the Philippines has submitted in these proceedings.”85 The Tribunal also emphasised that “[t]he Philippines has not asked the Tribunal to rule on sovereignty and, indeed, has expressly and repeatedly requested that the Tribunal refrain from so doing.”86 The Tribunal emphasised that it did “not see that any of the Philippines’ Submissions require an implicit determination of sovereignty.”87

Finally, the Tribunal observed that it was “fully conscious of the limits on the claims submitted to it and, to the extent that it reaches the merits of any of the Philippines’ Submissions, intends to ensure that its decision neither advances nor detracts from either Party’s claims to land sovereignty in the South China Sea.”88

I have not read the full document but I have yet to find anything on the said ruling that EXPLICITY AND IMPLICITY stated that its ruling pertains to THE SOVEREIGNTY or granting the Philippines the SOLE custody of the said islands. But when you read, listen, watch the news from around the world they all say that the 2016 tribunal ruling granted/awarded the Philippines full sovereignty over the islands. The media, supposed experts just trumpets lies after lies and expect China to be bludgeoned into submission. What a farce.

Law serves hegemony never the other way around...

 

[tamsen_ikard]

The Chinese were never that bothered about genuine humanitarian resupply of the Philippines soldiers on the ship. What the Philippines have been doing is smuggling building materials in under the guise of provisions resupply trying to build a concrete fort under the hull of the ship. That is what is crossing the line and what China will not tolerate.

China shouldn't even allow this limbo of a junk PH ship moored into an island. No one keeps such a ship functioning other than for a nefarious purpose. They should finally ensure PH soldiers leave once and for all. All that ambiguity was understandable when China was 1 trillion dollar economy back in the late 90s. But now its an 18 trillion dollar economy with the right level of military power. They should just solve this issue once and for all. PH already has more than enough islands in its control. Just removing that ship will not be a big deal to them.

 

[tphuang]

I looked through all the regular news site today that your normie Americans get news. The only geopolitical news that get covered extensively is Middle East related.

I said this when the first time China sprayed water at Filipinos. Don’t mistaken the outrage from your usual China watchers as a sign that anyone in America actually cares about this. And if Americans don’t care about this, nobody will do anything other than put out a few statements. Even now, far more criticism on China have been related to its choices in Middle East and Russia rather than anything with Philippines.

frankly, Filipinos deserve to be taught a lesson on their importance and relevance.

and other countries in Southeast Asia will understand this. Better to have healthy fear of China rather than getting left out hanging by your “western friends”. China needs to take this opportunity to reward other southeast Asian countries that cooperate and sell them weapons they need. American political class have too many commitment around the world right now and can’t be bothered with real actions to stand up to China in westpac

 

[PhSt]

Im wondering, if China imposes a complete blockade of the Sierra Madre, (as the piece of junk is illegally squatting in Chinese territory), will this be viewed as a huge escalation that will force the Philippines and its NATO sponsors to react? I think it would be a good idea for China to start tightening the noose around Filipino squatters in the SCS and test the sincerity of the so-called "Ironclad" commitment of the US to supporting the PH

 

[zgx09t]

We can simply start out with a dozen CCG drone boats blasting out high decibels messages, songs, etc non stop 24/7/365 around that derelict. It'd be interesting to see their reactions. Hope they don't start shooting the CCG drones.

 

[ansy1968]

Im wondering, if China imposes a complete blockade of the Sierra Madre, (as the piece of junk is illegally squatting in Chinese territory), will this be viewed as a huge escalation that will force the Philippines and its NATO sponsors to react? I think it would be a good idea for China to start tightening the noose around Filipino squatters in the SCS and test the sincerity of the so-called "Ironclad" commitment of the US to supporting the PH

Bro what China is doing at the SCS is a precedent for Taiwan operations. They will not invade Taiwan and be destroyed as the American envision. As common sense dictate why destroy something you owned and the CPC are not idiots, being the inheritor of Chinese civilization it's their mission to rejuvenated it not destroyed it.

 

[valysre]

I don't want to be a wet blanket, and I'm not sure if some people here are being sarcastic, but I don't think we should be advocating for any kind of psychological warfare against the Sierra Madre garrison, or massive heavy-handed shows of force in general.

There are several reasons: (a) It doesn't really look good internationally, (b) It isn't really necessary, (c) It would in all likelihood inspire a sizable domestic pacifist movement that would inevitably spiral towards anti-CCP sentiments (and we know how these end), and (d) I personally would feel really bad if China resorted to similar tactics employed by the Western powers for the past 300 years.