China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

[In4ser]

1. Allying can only happen if both nation willing to form alliance... its obvious that China need all ally they can get.

2. Returning to the original subject, then you should ask why Israel need China as an ally ?.

Doesn't seem like you even read what I wrote, I am arguing against a Chinese alliance with Israel. It's just bad for it politically why does it matter what Israel thinks?

If you want to make questions like that then ask I would make the same remark in regards to Israel. Its surrounded by hostile states, and neutral powers like Egypt are increasingly becoming radicalized, it needs as many allies as possible.

China doesn't need Israel as an ally nor should it when its a liability being embroiled into the Middle Eastern conflict. China is the only nation to have fairly good relations with Shi'ite powers like Iran & Sunni states like Saudi Arabia, in addition to Israel. Stray to close to one and she may lose favor with others...as in George Washington, "Beware of entangling alliances".

 

[blacklist]

Doesn't seem like you even read what I wrote, I am arguing against a Chinese alliance with Israel. It's just bad for it politically why does it matter what Israel thinks?

If you want to make questions like that then ask I would make the same remark in regards to Israel. Its surrounded by hostile states, and neutral powers like Egypt are increasingly becoming radicalized, it needs as many allies as possible.

China doesn't need Israel as an ally nor should it when its a liability being embroiled into the Middle Eastern conflict. China is the only nation to have fairly good relations with Shi'ite powers like Iran & Sunni states like Saudi Arabia, in addition to Israel. Stray to close to one and she may lose favor with others...as in George Washington, "Beware of entangling alliances".

actually China need Israel, from wiki :

Israel and China began extensive military cooperation as early as the 1980s, even though no formal diplomatic relations existed.[11][12][13] Some estimate that Israel sold arms worth USD 4 billion to China in this period.[11][12] China has looked to Israel for the arms and technology it wants but cannot acquire from both the United States and Russia. Israel has now become China's second-largest supplier of arms (following Russia).[11] China has purchased a wide array of military equipment and technology, including communications satellites.[11] The building of military cooperation and trade has softened China's historic anti-Israeli policy over Palestine and Middle East issues.[11] China has become a vital market for Israel's extensive military industries and arms manufacturers.[11] Israel has also limited its cooperation with the Republic of China (Taiwan) in order to foster closer ties with the People's Republic of China.

Israel surely help China a lot during arm embargo after tiananmen protest in 1989.

btw:
China also surrounded by some hostile neighbour which are allied to Israel.
China need to reassure stability in middle east as China get their oil from there.

so it's obvious that China need Israel as much as Israel need China, what i dont understand from you question is : how do you assume that Pakistan will get angry if China form alliance with Israel ? or how many moslem are actually in China ?

 

[In4ser]

actually China need Israel, from wiki :


Israel surely help China a lot during arm embargo after tiananmen protest in 1989.

btw:
China also surrounded by some hostile neighbour which are allied to Israel.
China need to reassure stability in middle east as China get their oil from there.

so it's obvious that China need Israel as much as Israel need China, what i dont understand from you question is : how do you assume that Pakistan will get angry if China form alliance with Israel ? or how many moslem are actually in China ?

It did help but intervention from US undermined that partnership, besides needs change as does politics. True, Israel does possess a very advance industry and have impressive tech. China may want it, but it doesn't NEED it. I bear no malice towards Jews or Israel but a formal alliance is not favorable for China. However NOT BEING ALLIES doesn't mean there can be no trade or normalized relationship.

Besides Israel offers stability in the Middle East? Isn't the Israeli-Palestinian question a source of instability in the region? China doesn't transport oil or acquire oil from Israel. Suppliers like Iran and Saudi Arabia can be trusted to protect Chinese trade with, unless you're suggesting Israel is actively blockade or attack Chinese merchants and resources.

Pakistan as in its government and majority of its people may not care, but a radical few may. It already has a lot of problems with foreign fighters and terrorists and the last thing China wants is a reason to antagonize them, better they focus their hate on US on Israel. China deals a lot with large Muslim populations not only in the Middle East, but in Africa as well. It's just more trouble worth versus the trade off in benefits with Israel.

 

[blacklist]

Pakistan as in its government and majority of its people may not care, but a radical few may.

radical and terrorist will always cause trouble to China whether China allied to Israel or not...
in fact radical and terrorist always cause trouble...

Besides Israel offers stability in the Middle East? Isn't the Israeli-Palestinian question a source of instability in the region?

Israeli-Palestinian is the cause of most instability and allying with both party is the best way to reduce tension into peaceful dialog.

China deals a lot with large Muslim populations not only in the Middle East, but in Africa as well. It's just more trouble worth versus the trade off in benefits with Israel.

this is another yet irrelevant and nonexistent problem.
nice story bro, because you just said yourself "Pakistan as in its government and majority of its people may not care", now you want to bring up Africa ?

the fact is that both party refuse to compromise as it is now, and China can bring new hope for peace.

btw this is about politic, should the moderator moderate this ?

 

[In4ser]

radical and terrorist will always cause trouble to China whether China allied to Israel or not...
in fact radical and terrorist always cause trouble...



Israeli-Palestinian is the cause of most instability and allying with both party is the best way to reduce tension into peaceful dialog.



this is another yet irrelevant and nonexistent problem.
nice story bro, because you just said yourself "Pakistan as in its government and majority of its people may not care", now you want to bring up Africa ?

the fact is that both party refuse to compromise as it is now, and China can bring new hope for peace.

btw this is about politic, should the moderator moderate this ?

You're the one who sought out a discussion by replying to my post If you don't want to continue then don't respond.

Issues are interconnected, specially in this day and age just because Africa and Asia are not immediate neighbors doesn't mean there is a connection. Just because terrorist will trouble China regardless, doesn't mean drawing additional attention like kicking a hornet's nest will not exacerbate relations. Fact of the matter is China is not interested in playing mediator, its just too much responsibility...its more than happy to have US take that role, spending its money, blood and sweat on peacekeeping the region. Otherwise it will take concrete steps to position itself as such.

 

[asif iqbal]

Back in 1962 China asked Pakistan to open a second front in Kashmir during the Sino-Indo war

But our silly leaders were too busy having tea in Washington and just 3 years later in 1965 we had to go it alone

However China still offered the hand of friendship and sent F6 fighters to Pakistan as a gift in 1965 one of which it in Lahore Museum, this started the long and deep friendship that Sino-Pak have enjoyed and in every war since China has supported Pakistan

We have a time trusted friendship and a all weather relationship based on mutual trust and understanding and the Pakistan people will not forget

What China does who it does business with is none of Pakistans business

And above all Jordan and Egypt both have a peace deal with Israel and trade water and gas to supply Israel, Turkey is close to Israel and is one of Pakistans biggest allies so why point finger at China doing business with Israel?? This is just none sense and requires no further discussion

If neighbouring Muslim country's have relationship with Israel there leaves no scope for China discussion

 

[AssassinsMace]

With David Axe's writing stories about how inferior the Chinese are and this story here, Wired should rename the "Danger Room" to "Where scared little children go hide under the bed" room.

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Love how they don't bother with any speculation. They noticed and just mention it. It up to the readers to do all the work for them. What happened to investigative reporting? And they think they're journalists.

 

[icbeodragon]

With David Axe's writing stories about how inferior the Chinese are and this story here, Wired should rename the "Danger Room" to "Where scared little children go hide under the bed" room.

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Love how they don't bother with any speculation. They noticed and just mention it. It up to the readers to do all the work for them. What happened to investigative reporting? And they think they're journalists.

Its the Danger Room, nuff said. Fun to read, if only for the comments, don't bother to take the reporting seriously though.

 

[delft]

Israel has a very advance technology to use water efficiently in the desert. China can benefit greatly from that. Imagine, Israel has a very very limited water, but produce high quality of fruits, vegetables and grain, and a lot of them, exported everywhere. Unbelievabl, you would understand and appreciate what I mean if you have been to Israel and see fruit trees grow happily in the middle of desert ..... Really amazing.

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Israel is mining water. The West Bank is drying out, sea water is infiltrating beneath the Israeli coastal areas because of that.

 

[kroko]

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acording to it, russia sold 2,1 billion dolares of weapons to china in 2012. Oficially confirmed only 1,3 billion dolares. What are the other 800 million for ?? something that we still dont know ?

It also said that there was an agreement for joint weapon development and prodution. Totally new to me. Does anyone knows something about it ??