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The opening page of the virtual game, Glorious Mission. [Zhu Xingxin / For China Daily]

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BEIJING - The People's Liberation Army (PLA) has developed its first online military game to improve combat skills and technological awareness.

The Glorious Mission sets the player as a soldier with the PLA ground force.

The first-person shooter game has three models - basic training, single missions and team combat. Players can opt for single combat or be part of a group of 32 players, divided into two groups, who take on and defeat opponents.

As a new recruit a player will have to go through basic training and then receive professional indoctrination and instruction.

On completion, their combat capability will be enhanced and they will enter the "exciting life of the military", according to an earlier report by the PLA Daily.

The game, described by the China Software Testing Center as the "first large local area network (LAN) military game that has full intellectual property rights in China", was co-developed by Nanjing Military Command and Wuxi Giant Network Technology Inc in Jiangsu province.

All of the game's weapons and equipment are part of the PLA's weaponry, including the Type 99 main battle tank, the ZBD2000 amphibious fighting vehicle and the J-10 multi-role jet fighter.

The program can simulate various weather conditions and accurately portray battle situations, Xinhua News Agency reported on Tuesday.

Experts at the Nanjing Military Command analyzed 34 military games and organized more than 30 symposiums to discuss the program's design and development.

After 32 months of development and tests, the final version was released on June 20 with many Chinese experts praising it as "a breakthrough in military games and a pioneering work in the cyber-game industry".

A PLA publicity officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity, confirmed on Tuesday that soldiers and officers had been involved in the development and testing of the game and their feedback significantly contributed to the final version.

"I think it is possible that the game will be made open online for Chinese military fans to download and play," the officer told China Daily.

Video games are not unfamiliar to soldiers in the Chinese military.

"As far as I know, units of the PLA have long used video games in their training," said a veteran from the PLA ground force, who also requested anonymity. "For instance, the scouts may use Counter-Strike," a first-person shooter game developed by US-based Valve Corporation.

A student at a PLA Ground Force College, surnamed Wu, told China Daily that video games were part of lectures on air combat.

"The game did actually help us develop a stronger tactical sense," Wu said.

The combat situations helped improve tactical awareness, according to a professor.

"The game has benefited servicemen," Gong Fangbin, a professor at the PLA National Defense University, was quoted by Beijing Morning Post as saying. "It demands a tactical appreciation of your surroundings and the options facing you. It supplements ground training and is both educational and entertaining."

Ma Quanzhi, a public relations manager with the Wuxi Giant Network Technology Inc, the main developer of Glorious Mission, refused to disclose more details of the game, saying his company has not been authorized by the military to do so.

Other countries, including the United States and Russia, have used video games in military training and have achieved "satisfactory results", an earlier report by Chinese Defense, a newspaper run by the PLA, said.
 

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China hunts for both Soviet and US military technology

Ukraine is seeking to step up its military co-operation with China in aircraft building, tank construction and in air defense. The Russian media claims that it would mean selling secret Soviet military technologies to the Chinese Dragon.
“Ukraine is ready to intensify military cooperation, the exchange of military delegations and attachés, as well as broadening training for Chinese military personnel in the educational centers of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry,” the former Soviet republic’s premier Nikolay Azarov said at a meeting with the Chinese Chief of the General Staff, Colonel-General Chen Bingde.
According to Azarov, cooperation in such areas as the construction of heavy transport aircraft, heavy ships and hovercrafts, tanks, and air defense would have good prospects. The Prime Minister noted that Ukraine has a lot of potential when it comes to radar technologies.
“The famous “Stealth” is perfectly picked up on our radars,” he said, as cited by UNIAN agency.
The top official instructed the government to develop a 5-10 year cooperation program between Ukraine and China – which was declared a strategic partner back in June of this year.
The statements were made shortly after the talks between the Russian and Ukrainian Presidents Dmitry Medvedev and Viktor Yanukovich in Sochi, which yielded few results. Yet again, the gas issue remains one of the main stumbling blocks in relations between the two neighbors. During the closed-door meeting, Medvedev called on Yanukovich not to politicize the matter, reported RIA Novosti, citing a Kremlin source. However, it is unlikely that Kiev is ready to consider gas cooperation as a purely business matter.
The news website svpressa.ru (Free Media) points out that so far, relations between Moscow and Kiev are not so rosy in comparison with current prospects for Ukrainian-Chinese cooperation.
Earlier last week, Azarov complained that declared “Russian-Ukrainian projects on cooperation and integration in the aircraft industry, machine building, transport infrastructure, and high technology have yet to develop beyond the discussion phase," quoted the Ukrainian News Agency. The politician also accused Moscow of limiting the supplies of Ukrainian metal pipes, meat, milk and sugar within the territory covered by the Customs Union between Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan.
Meanwhile, Kiev’s ties with the West have lately been overshadowed by international criticism of the arrest of former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko. She has been charged with abuse of power and damaging the national economy by signing a 2009 gas transit deal with Russia. Many in the US and Europe consider the case to be politically motivated.
Given all that, it is quite logical that Kiev is seeking to broaden its ties with the East, in particular with China – which has huge markets, a growing appetite for technologies and is ready to invest. The Asian state has been buffing up its military might in recent years and has significantly increased its defense budget.
On Sunday, Chinese first aircraft carrier returned to the port of Dalian after completing its initial sea trials. The 60,000 ton warship, formerly known as “Varyag”, was bought as an empty shell from the Ukraine in 1998. The republic got the vessel – which was 67 % ready – after the collapse of the USSR and sold it to China for the price of “scrap metal”, reminds Novy Region news agency. The carrier is expected to officially start service with the Chinese Navy in August 2012 and a naming ceremony for the ship is to be held next October, Xinhua reported.
In July, Russia accused Ukraine of violating its intellectual property right over the sale of technical documentation of the Russian-developed Zubr air-cushion landing ship to China. The Russian national arms export company Rosoboronexport and Beijing had been negotiating a deal for quite a while, but failed to come to a compromise. Meanwhile, Chinese talks with the former Soviet republic secured the Asian state the desired technology.
Last year, it came to light that Chinese engineers had developed the J-15 naval fighter, which is believed to be a clone of Russia's Su-33 deck-based fighter jet. The Asian state had earlier bought the aircraft prototype – the Soviet T10K – from Ukraine, and used it to develop its own version.
Meanwhile, the People’s Republic seems to be hunting not only for Soviet technologies, but also for the technological achievements of Moscow’s former Cold War rival – the USA. It is alleged that Pakistan let Chinese military engineers examine the wreckage of a top-secret US stealth helicopter that crashed during the raid while resulted in the death of Osama bin Laden, reported The New York Times, citing American officials and other intelligence sources.
The Financial Times, also quoting an individual from intelligence circles, wrote that "the US now has information that Pakistan, particularly the ISI, gave the Chinese military access to the downed helicopter in Abbottabad." He added that Chinese engineers were allowed to examine the wreckage, take photographs of it and, also, to take samples of the special radar-absorbent material used to create the “stealth” technology.
The fast growing military might of China – which has the largest population on the planet – is cause for concern for its neighbors in the region as well as for the US. Allegations that the Asian country might be trying to get access to secret developments of other powers only exacerbates matters.
While defense bodies have to consider security issues, no matter how peaceful Chinese intentions are, producers have to worry about the safety of their developments, since there is no guarantee a prototype of their inventions might soon appear on the markets under a new name and at a cheaper price. Anyway, the whole world has long been in the habit of using China’s four greatest inventions – paper, gunpowder, the compass, and printing. Perhaps they believe it is time for the debts to be paid back.
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It's a no-brainer that the Pakistanis would give China anything. I have seen a chart a month ago, of rankings of all the major countries' (general societal and governmental) negative attitudes towards China. The obvious is that Japan and Australia ranked top, but what's funny is that the Chinese themselves only ranked second last, meaning there's a country that like them more than themselves do, that is Pakistan.
 

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there's a country that like them more than themselves do, that is Pakistan.

One just need to cross over to Pakistani defense forums to appreciate how much they value China's friendship. You can feel their warmth and sincerity. We should not feel slighted if their jf-17 test pilot feel superior over the j-10 pilots.
 

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It just gets worse.China has a debt to GDP double that of the USA? Huh?

China’s war machine raises specter of expansionism

China is taking its military might to a new level, completing a round of trials of its first-ever aircraft carrier – a Soviet air-capable cruiser Varyag bought in unfinished condition from Ukraine in 1998.
*Although building the future carrier's fleet will take time, Beijing is already heralding a new chapter for the country's naval fleet.
China officially stated the new aircraft carrier will serve for scientific research and training of personnel but Forbes business magazine columnist and author Gordon G. Chang says of course it is not and China’s neighbors had better keep a close eye on what is happening.
“It is meant to try to intimidate countries in the region, especially in the South China Sea, where China claims the entire body of water as an internal Chinese lake,” Chang says. “Of course China wants to project power not only southwards but also northwards, towards Mongolia and Russia.”
The author sees talk of China’s lost territories as ominous. “Clearly, Beijing wants to get these territories later.”
Chang believes that no country is quite ready to challenge China right now, and that really bothers both China’s close neighbors and the US. Their concern is compounded by the fact that China’s military build-up is the biggest and fastest in the world today, and includes information technology and cyber war capabilities.
“They are clearly putting money into their Navy and Air Force. The only lagger really is the [Chinese] Army. It used to get almost all the money but now China clearly wants a bigger Air Force and Navy so that is where all the money is going into, as well as strategic forces, in other words – nuclear-capable missiles.”
Another interesting aspect, according to Chang, is that China probably has a bigger national debt than the US. While it likes to lecture about the dollar, China’s debt-to-GDP ratio is “at least as bad as America’s. It is probably almost double.
“When you add the hidden debt to the acknowledged debt, China probably has a debt-to-GDP ratio about 150 to 160 per cent,” he claims.
The columnist reveals that in China military service is becoming much more popular for college graduates because they have “really not been able to find work in the civilian economy so people from the national army have actually done better on recruiting in the last three years.”
Gordon G. Chang believes that eventually all these military activities are going to undermine China’s foreign policy because of rising concern amongst its neighbors.

“The only countries that are not complaining are North Korea
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I really hate branding people, but the only correct piece of information in that article is the spelling of his name. I'm not sure if I ever heard a commentor talking for that long without saying anything that's correct. I pray everyone takes this with a tanker of salt.
 
I really hate branding people, but the only correct piece of information in that article is the spelling of his name. I'm not sure if I ever heard a commentor talking for that long without saying anything that's correct. I pray everyone takes this with a tanker of salt.

I actually motion the post to be deleted. That news is equivalent of putting garbage on the dining table. Someone please get rid of it.
 

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Actually reading through that article, if we can call it that, it provides epic lulz.

“Of course China wants to project power not only southwards but also northwards, towards Mongolia and Russia.”

Yes, because there are just so many people in mongolia and siberia who will take notice of the chinese projection of power... lol. Really a flight of flankers flying cap probably has the equivalent impact of an aircraft carrier on a normal country when we're talking about mongolia... rofl...
 
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