China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

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SundayForever

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I find it interesting that the budget is now increasing faster that the economy is growing. Is this in relations to the Taiwanese NUC, or was it always going to happen? And will such growth be natural from now on,
 

Maggern

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I find it interesting that the budget is now increasing faster that the economy is growing. Is this in relations to the Taiwanese NUC, or was it always going to happen? And will such growth be natural from now on,

It just means that the government will increase its deficit. It's a typical fiscal policy measure when you want to increase momentum in the economy.
 

Red___Sword

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Some kind of terrorist attack in Gansu?

Just saw that too. I wonder if it could be related to higher living costs/inflation/social discontent in general?

Seems a bit far to go if it was that but violent attacks have been slowly increasing in intensity in the last few years like the whole killing kindergartners saga.

Mind I comment on this, as kind of "I know this" response?

To "certified" be a terrorist, one should have his policital agenda. Once a political agenda established, hack a bank or bomb a building - the actual "wet job", dose not matters, as long as it "serve them right".

China's social security concerns however, are much more complex. Those who "did the freaking things", most of time (can't take for granted), were neither terrorist who trying to "let your know I got this demand.", nor are they psychopath for commoners "easy to label them". - they are hard to label, actually.

Some are desperate cowerds who thinking "my life is a miship, I wanna let you who are not familiar with miship know the taste as well." - while mentally non-distort. Some claim they were driven by the un-even living standard, but that's only trying to justify (whether later others take a rational look into their situation, is another different thing) what crime they have done. - The "killing kindergartners saga" is one of this.

Some others (much more) were/are/is still going to be... NOT-LEGALLY-AWARENESS-CIVILIZED (bad translation of 愚昧) 愚昧 is one social fact like poverty - they simply exists! People who are 愚昧, simply don't think the world is to "function", like you - the civilized person - the way you take for granted.

- They think the police arresting one of their family member is simply because that "individual person being the police", have a grudge with his family member, and thus doing whatever "resit arrest" is simply justified;

- They think the way you (the law enforcement) "handel" the illegal affairs, don't meet their requirements at other times; so when this time, you are going to "handel" illegal affairs reqarding me, is not to be entertained at first place.

- They think "demostrating" my poor living situation to you, is a good way of rationally express "I am not to be blamed"

- They have a very uncivilized thinking of "I wanna 'let go' my wrath, when I am being mis-treated." the "let go of one's wrath", could be slam of the door on someone's way out, or could be bomb the shit out in a crowd.

- The most "classic" thinking is, my clan (usually living in the same villiage) is a coherent unity, the coherent is not to be splited. When the law enforcement comes and sieze one of my clan-mate, although I know what that guy did is wrong, I still doing what ever I can to stop you from take him away.

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The guy mentioned in #365, is kind of 愚昧 non-legal-awareness, un-civilized, criminal, when being accused of illegal conduct and get certain punishment of it, considering himself a victim instead of wrong-doing, because of "what's the big deal?" thinking, and try to "let go the wrath" - if can make an revenge in the mean time, the better.

Since we have mentioned this topic, - having (a still rather huge) population whom are still more or less at the standard of 愚昧 - it is one of the other reason, China is indeed, NOT A SUPERPOWER. It is me as a Chinese citizen's sore-admittance, rather than modesty, to evaluate China.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Chinese general: We’re no match for U.S.

By Robert Burns - The Associated Press
Posted : Wednesday May 18, 2011 22:09:09 EDT

WASHINGTON — Seeking to counter U.S. worries about his country’s rapid military growth, a top Chinese general said Wednesday the communist nation’s defense clout lags decades behind the U.S., and that China wants warmer relations.

Gen. Chen Bingde, whose position in Beijing is roughly the equivalent of chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, used a 45-minute speech at the National Defense University to play down fears of Chinese intentions.

“Although China’s defense and military development has come a long way in recent years, a gaping gap between you and us remains,” Chen said through an interpreter. He added, “China never intends to challenge the U.S.”

Chen made a similar point later at a Pentagon news conference with his American counterpart, Navy Adm. Mike Mullen.

“I can tell you that China does not have the capability to challenge the United States,” he said, adding that China’s wealth and military strength pales in comparison with that of the U.S. He said China’s navy is 20 years behind the U.S. Navy.

Chen’s remarks were in line with China’s strategy of countering U.S. fear of China as a military threat by emphasizing the limited scope of its military reach and advancing efforts to cooperate in areas like counterterrorism and anti-piracy. Chen said he invited Mullen to make his first visit to China as Joint Chiefs chairman.

Chen and Mullen announced several agreements, including a plan for the U.S. and Chinese militaries to jointly conduct a humanitarian assistance and disaster relief exercise in 2012. They also agreed to use a special telephone link to maintain communication between their offices.

The general told reporters that China’s recent boost of investment in military power is “compensatory in nature,” making up for decades during which modernizing the Chinese economy was given the first priority. Washington often complains that China is too secretive about the purpose and exact scale of its military buildup.

To illustrate his point that China is not a threat — even to Taiwan — Chen noted that some Americans have called on China to remove or withdraw ballistic missiles positioned on its southeast coast, across from Taiwan.

“I can tell you here responsibly that we only have garrison deployment across (from) Taiwan, and we do not have operational deployment, much less missiles stationed there,” Chen said.

In his speech at the National Defense University, Chen said he was optimistic about the future of U.S.-China military relations, which have suffered repeated setbacks. Early last year China angrily cut off most military-to-military contacts after the U.S. announced a $6.4 billion arms sale to Taiwan, the self-governing island that China considers a renegade province.

Under the 1979 Taiwan Relations Act, which partly defines U.S. relations with Taiwan and China, the Pentagon is obliged to provide Taiwan with sufficient defensive arms to ensure its security. In his remarks at the Pentagon, Chen said some U.S. lawmakers, whom he did not cite by name, had told him it is time for the Congress to review that law.

Chen said the U.S. needs to respect China’s “core interests,” which he said include issues of national unity like Taiwan. The Taiwanese, he said, are considered by all Chinese as “our compatriots and blood brothers and sisters.”

The general equated China’s position on Taiwan to President Abraham Lincoln’s commitment to preserving the Union. Chen quoted Lincoln as saying, “The Union is unbroken.”

Asked about Taiwan’s long-standing request to purchase U.S. F-16 combat aircraft, Chen said such a sale would hurt U.S.-China military relations, but he was not specific. He asked rhetorically why Taiwan would need to buy American weapons if the U.S. sincerely believes its stated policy that Taiwan is part of China.

Chen appeared to question the validity of the U.S. position favoring Taiwan’s eventual peaceful reunification with China. He recounted a conversation earlier Wednesday with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton in which she repeated the U.S. position that “there is only one China in the world and Taiwan is part of China.”

He said he told Clinton: “I’ve heard that comment, that statement, since I was a schoolboy, and I’m hearing the same thing now I’m approaching my retirement age. I wonder when can I really see the reunification of my motherland.”

Chen, chief of the general staff of the People’s Liberation Army, is leading a delegation of eight Chinese generals on a weeklong visit to the United States. Also on the delegation’s itinerary this week are the Army’s Fort Stewart, Ga., the Navy’s base at Norfolk, Va., and Nellis Air Force Base, Nev.
Picked up From Army times
 

Red___Sword

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Nobody picked this one? Read with #370 together, you will found it interesting - Same thing different language.


中新社华盛顿5月18日电 (记者 吴庆才 德永健)中国在盖茨访华时试飞J20是否是针对美国的一种挑衅?中国人民解放军总参谋长陈炳德18在华盛顿明确否认了这种说法。

PLA General Staff (don't ask me how to translate 总参谋长) Chen Bingde denied an accuse at 18th (May) during his D.C. visit, regarding "Did the test flight of J20 during the Gate's visit is a Chinese demostration of defiance to USA?"


在当日与美军参谋长联席会议主席马伦举行的联合记者会上,陈炳德在回答美国记者的提问时承认,盖茨访华时中国确实有一个新型的飞机J20进行了试飞。但就连盖茨本人都认为,这次试飞是正常的,不是针对他的。

Then and there, during a joint press conference with Mullen, Chen answering an US journalist, admitting that it was indeed a new model of plan was doing test flight, but adding that Mr. Gates himself is also considering, that this test flight is not intentionly "contrapose"(针对) to his visit.


“美国已经制造了那么多新型武器,他又是针对谁的呢?”陈炳德反问道:“为什么中国搞一个新型武器却对美国构成了威胁和挑战呢?难道只允许你们干,却不允许中国干?”

"US has produced so much new weaponry, who dose her 'contrapose'(针对) then?" Chen counter-asked: "Why dose it a 'threat and challenge to America' whenever China is doing a new model of weapon? IS IT that only you are allowed to do but not China?"


陈炳德指出,美国对中国的高科技技术是封锁的,欧盟对中国军售也是禁止的,使我高兴的是,美国的封锁也好,欧盟的禁售也好,反而激发了中国人民的斗志,充分调动了中国人民的聪明才智,因此他们奋发努力,也研制了一些保卫自己的新型武器装备,尽管水平比不上美国和欧盟,但总是自己研制了自己应该拥有的武器装备,这是非常振奋人心的事情。

Chen pointed out, US has blockaded hi-tech export to China, and EU is also doing her share of boycott of military export to China, what makes him impressed, is that no matter US's blockade or EU's boycott, it inspired the Chinese people's spirits, stimulated Chinese people's smartness and hardship worksmanship, and made some new weapons and equipments available in the end. It (they) may not match the level of US an EU, but it (they) is (are) after all, indigenous developed and produced weapons and equipments, it is heart-stirring.


陈炳德说,中国经济确实有长足进步,现在是世界第二大经济体,但是13亿人口一分配,它就是100位之外。中国搞经济建设是为了解决好13亿人民的生活,使他们的日子过得更好,而不是拿这个钱去搞武器装备,去挑战美国。

Chen says, China dose have had a leap foward of her economy and now situated as the world's No. 2 biggest economic entity, but with the 1.3billion population, she is out-of-the-league of Top100, in per-capital wise perspect. The efforts for China on economical building is to serve the living standard of this 1.3 billion population, not to "make weapon, challenge America".

“美国人民的生活水平高于中国人民的生活水平12倍,如果我们拿这个钱去搞武器装备挑战美国,中国老百姓也不会答应。”这位解放军总参谋长说。

"US people having a living standard 12 times higher than Chinese people, if we uses these money to 'make weapon & challenge America', Chinese people won't agree." Said by this PLA General Staff.


“美国是世界上最大的超级大国,中国要挑战美国谈何容易?”陈炳德说:“中国没有这个文化,中国也没有这个能力。”

"USA is THE SUPERPOWER of this world, what sense dose it make for China to challenge it?" Chen emphasises, "It is not a Chinese culture, nor dose China have this kind of capability."


---Red Sword's manual translation, please advise any error in the making.
 

antiterror13

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China for 2011 announced an official defense spending of $91.5 billion wich is 12,7% up from last years $81.2 billion.
Spending for internal security is to be $95 billion, up 13,8% from last years $83.5 billion.

So, with inflation officially at ~5%, the above mentioned budgets would rise 9,3% & 9,2% respectively adjusted for inflation.
Does anyone know what butgets will include PAP spending? The "civil militia", according to the report, is within the interna security budget. And does the internal security spending include expenditures for security forces on all levels, or is that just state level forces while regions, districts etc. have additional budget expenditures for forces on their level?

It is interesting, not sure whether other countries have similar figure, I mean Internal security/Law&Order budget is higher than military'
 
As much as I think this would be a good opportunity for Chinese special ops to test their mettle, I think China will let the Pakistanis deal with this situation for political reasons.
 

Spartan95

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Speech by PRC's Defense Minister, General Liang Guanglie, made on 5 June 2011 during the Shangri-La Dialogue:

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It's a long speech, so I'll just highlight the key points:

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First, in the principle of respect and equality, we should accommodate each other’s core interest and major concerns.

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Second, in the principle of mutual understanding and trust, we should fully understand each other’s strategic intentions.

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Third, in the principle of sharing weal and woe, we should not engage in any alliance targeting at a third party.

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Fourth, in the principle of openness, inclusiveness, solidarity and cooperation, we welcome all nations’ contribution to the security in Asia Pacific.

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China unswervingly follows the path of peaceful development.

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China unswervingly adheres to a defense policy defensive in nature.

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China unswervingly adopts the policy of forging friendly and good-neighborly relations.

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China is committed to regional peace and stability through security cooperation.

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China is committed to greater mutual trust and common interest through security cooperation.

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China is committed to its international obligations through security cooperation.

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The time and tides of the 21st century point to its new reading: military can also be a bond of cooperation, peace and prosperity.

Local media reports indicate that his point about accommodating each other's core interests and major concerns was well received.

The speech in Chinese is available here:

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