China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

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Spartan95

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Yes, indeed. They will become more common. PLAAF is saying we can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way.

I see this as an indication of PRC asserting itself as a Great Power.

Just as US military aircraft flies in all the world's oceans and Russian aircraft patrol the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, so PRC's aircraft are starting to show their presence beyond their traditional operating areas in the past. Hence, this is going to be a new reality.

And because this is a change from the previous status quo, the neighbouring countries (such as Japan) are going to be nervous about it (hence the scrambles). But, this can proceed peacefully, as with US fighters escorting Russian bombers, or it can result in incidents similar to the EP-3 over Hainan, depending on the actions of the militaries and states involved.
 

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Putting this news here:

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Hu pledges a peaceful, cooperative China in 2011
Posted: 01 January 2011 0140 hrs

BEIJING: Chinese President Hu Jintao said in a New Year's Eve address on Friday China would adhere to the path of peaceful development and would always seek to cooperate when facing global problems.

Hu's annual address broadcast by state television appeared to be targeted at rising concern around the world over China's growing political and military clout which has been fuelled by 30 years of fast-paced economic growth.

"I would like to reiterate, China will continue to hold high the standard of peace, development and cooperation," Hu said.

"We will forever walk the road of peaceful development and forever follow a win-win strategy of mutual development."


In the coming year, China will adopt a proactive fiscal policy and a prudent monetary policy aimed at relatively fast and healthy economic growth and the improvement of the livelihoods of its people, he said.

"The world economic recovery is still difficult and full of ups and downs. Climate change, energy and resource security, food security, public sanitation security are all prominent problems facing the world," Hu said.

"Strengthening global cooperation and joining hands to address the serious challenges facing humanity is in the common interests of the people of every nation."

China's dramatic global rise has fuelled global concerns that its new found political, economic and military clout will result in a belligerent nation seeking to secure more world resources to fuel the appetite of its 1.3 billion people.

Beijing has long sought to dispel such notions, insisting that China's rise among the powerful nations of the world will always be peaceful.

- AFP/fa
 

Spartan95

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Interesting perspective about the rise of PRC's military might.

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US "cannot accept" China's military power: state media
Posted: 07 January 2011 1810 hrs

BEIJING : China will eventually have a military powerful enough to compete with the United States, state media said ahead of the visit of US Defence Secretary Robert Gates.

The claim in a newspaper editorial on Friday followed reports that China had completed a prototype of a stealth fighter and after a top US military official said Beijing was stepping up efforts to deploy a "carrier-killer" missile system.

"Whether the reported new weapons are true or not, in the long run, China will own first-class weapons that are capable of competing with the US war machine," said the Global Times, known for its nationalist tone.

Gates arrives in China on Sunday to smooth over tense defence relations between the two countries -- one year after Beijing cut military ties with Washington in protest against US arms sales to rival Taiwan.

"Apparently, the US is not ready to treat China as a major power. They cannot accept the fact that China will sooner or later possess a first-class military," the editorial said.

"They are too used to the old power structure, in which China and other developing countries have long been treated unfairly."

In an interview last week with a Japanese newspaper, the head of the US Pacific Command Admiral Robert Willard said China was pushing development of "carrier-killers" and aimed to project its influence beyond its regional waters.

US military analysts have warned China is developing an anti-ship ballistic missile -- a new version of its Dongfeng 21 missile -- that could pierce the defences of even the most sturdy US naval vessels and has a range far beyond Chinese waters.

Whereas Gates's Chinese counterpart Liang Guanglie has said that China will push forward with modernisation of its military thanks to a booming economy, the United States is facing major cuts.

Citing "dire" fiscal pressures, Gates on Thursday proposed deeper cuts than planned in US military programmes, scaling back ground forces for the first time since the 1990s.

Gates, in a compromise with the White House, said the 78 billion dollars in cuts and other measures would result in a slower pace of growth in defence budgets over the next five years, despite earlier plans to keep spending at a higher rate.

China has long described its military build-up as "defensive" in nature but top armed forces officials have recently made increasingly strong statements about its quest for a powerful military.

- AFP/ir

I thought it interesting that the Global Times is highlighted as having a nationalistic tone.

Anyway, it seems that US is downplaying the unveiling of the J-20. Such reports are being carried by Reuters, amongst other news agencies.
 

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Yes it's Press tv,yes it is an incredible claim but you gotta know what is being said out there in the media.

China and North Korea are reportedly discussing details of a plan allowing Chinese army forces to be deployed in the communist country for the first time in about two decades.


Citing an anonymous official at the presidential Blue House, the South Korean Chosun Ilbo newspaper reported on Saturday that the troops “would protect Chinese port facilities” in the Rason special economic zone near the Sea of Japan (East Sea).

"North Korea and China have discussed the issue of stationing a small number of Chinese troops to protect China-invested port facilities," the unnamed official told the newspaper.

"The presence of Chinese troops is apparently to guard facilities and protect Chinese nationals," the official added.

In 2008, Beijing was reportedly allowed to use a pier at Rason to secure its access to the Sea of Japan.

The Chinese troops, supervising a truce between the two Koreas after the 1950-53 Korean War, withdrew from the North in 1994.

Some officials believe the presence of troops will allow China to intervene in case of any instability in North Korea.

"The worst scenario China wants to avoid is a possibly chaotic situation in its northeastern provinces, which might be created by massive inflows of North Korean refugees," Seoul's International Security Ambassador Nam Joo-Hong was quoted as saying.

"Its troops stationed in Rason would facilitate China's intervention in case of contingencies in the North," he added.

The development comes amid strained relations between Seoul and Pyongyang caused by the exchange of deadly artillery fire on a border island in late November.

The United States and South Korea also recently staged a series of joint military maneuvers, which the North condemned as provocative and warned they could push the Korean Peninsula to the brink of war.
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PRC denies that it is in talks to station troops in DPRK:

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China denies North Korea troop plan
Posted: 17 January 2011 1209 hrs

BEIJING: Beijing denied Monday that it was in talks with North Korea about stationing Chinese troops in the isolated state.

Foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said a plan to deploy troops "does not exist", when he was asked about a report that appeared in South Korea's Chosun Ilbo newspaper at the weekend.

The Chosun Ilbo on Saturday cited an official at the South's presidential Blue House as saying Beijing and Pyongyang had discussed details about stationing Chinese soldiers in the city of Rason in North Korea.

The anonymous official said the soldiers would protect China's port facilities there, while a senior South Korean security official was quoted as saying it would also allow China to intervene in case of North Korean instability.

An unnamed Chinese defence ministry official was quoted in China's state-run Global Times newspaper as saying: "China will not send a single soldier to other countries without the approval of the UN."

Chinese troops have not been based in the North since 1994, when Beijing withdrew from the United Nations' Military Armistice Commission that supervises the truce that ended the 1950-53 Korean war.

The Chinese defence ministry official said there were only a few conditions under which Chinese troops could be stationed abroad, such as peacekeeping missions and disaster rescue efforts approved by the United Nations.

-AFP/ac
 
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China for 2011 announced an official defense spending of $91.5 billion wich is 12,7% up from last years $81.2 billion.
Spending for internal security is to be $95 billion, up 13,8% from last years $83.5 billion.

So, with inflation officially at ~5%, the above mentioned budgets would rise 9,3% & 9,2% respectively adjusted for inflation.
Does anyone know what butgets will include PAP spending? The "civil militia", according to the report, is within the interna security budget. And does the internal security spending include expenditures for security forces on all levels, or is that just state level forces while regions, districts etc. have additional budget expenditures for forces on their level?
 

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The story goes that China wants to see the wreckage of the SH-60 that crashed in Pakistan during the raid that killed OBL..

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By MATTHEW COLE, JIM SCIUTTO , LEE FERRAN and BRIAN ROSS
May 10, 2011

Pakistani officials said today they're interested in studying the remains of the U.S.'s secret stealth-modified helicopter abandoned during the Navy SEAL raid of Osama bin Laden's compound, and suggested the Chinese are as well.

The U.S. has already asked the Pakistanis for the helicopter wreckage back, but one Pakistani official told ABC News the Chinese were also "very interested" in seeing the remains. Another official said, "We might let them [the Chinese] take a look."

A U.S. official said he did not know if the Pakistanis had offered a peek to the Chinese, but said he would be "shocked" if the Chinese hadn't already been given access to the damaged aircraft.

The chopper, which aviation experts believe to be a highly classified modified version of a Blackhawk helicopter, clipped a wall during the operation that took down the al Qaeda leader, the White House said. The U.S. Navy SEALs that rode in on the bird attempted to destroy it after abandoning it on the ground, but a significant portion of the tail section survived the explosion. In the days after the raid, the tail section and other pieces of debris -- including a mysterious cloth-like covering that the local children found entertaining to play with -- were photographed being hauled away from the crash site by tractor.

Aviation experts said the unusual configuration of the rear rotor, the curious hub-cap like housing around it and the general shape of the bird are all clues the helicopter was highly modified to not only be quiet, but to have as small a radar signature as possible.

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The helicopter's remains have apparently become another chip in a tense, high-stakes game of diplomacy between the U.S. and Pakistan following the U.S.'s unilateral military raid of bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, more than a week ago. The potential technological advancements gleaned from the bird could be a "much appreciated gift" to the Chinese, according to former White House counterterrorism advisor and ABC News consultant Richard Clarke.

"Because Pakistan gets access to Chinese missile technology and other advanced systems, Islamabad is always looking for ways to give China something in return," Clarke said.
The Chinese and Pakistani governments are known to have a close relationship. Last month Punjab Chief Minister Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif concluded a trip to Beijing, afterwards telling
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that China was Pakistan's "best friend."
Dan Goure, a former Department of Defense official and vice president of the Lexington Institute, said last week the stealth chopper likely provided the SEALs an invaluable advantage in the moments before the shooting started.
"This is a first," he said. "You wouldn't know that it was coming right at you. And that's what's important, because these are coming in fast and low, and if they aren't sounding like they're coming right at you, you might not even react until it's too late... That was clearly part of the success."
Neighbors of bin Laden in Abbottabad, Pakistan, told ABC News they didn't hear the helicopters the night of the raid until they were overhead.
Officials at the U.S. Department of Defense declined to comment for this report, and a senior Pentagon official told ABC News last week the Department would "absolutely not" discuss anything relating to the downed chopper. Several Chinese government officials in the U.S. and in China were not available for comment.


U.S. officials have not officially disclosed any details on the helicopter, but President Obama said it was a "$60 million helicopter," in a report by
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. While the price tag on normal Blackhawks varies depending the type, none cost more than $20 million according to the
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TerraN_EmpirE

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Some thing I just caught well patrolling the blogs.
Defence buzz said:
A ‘closer look’ at the Chinese military

A ‘closer look’ at the Chinese military
By Philip Ewing Thursday, May 12th, 2011 4:14 pm
Posted in International

Congress and the public could get an avalanche of new information about China’s military and strategic capabilities under a provision in the defense bill the House Armed Services Committee referred to the full House this week. Virginia Rep. Randy Forbes, the Republican chair of the HASC’s readiness committee, added a requirement for several new studies and reports on China, because he argues Americans need to begin watching China as closely as the Chinese watch the U.S.:

“For decades, the Chinese government and military have meticulously studied the manner in which the United States plans, strategizes, and thinks,” Forbes said in an announcement. “Unfortunately, the United States has been slow to meet that same threshold of strategic analysis when it comes to the People’s Republic of China. However, this legislation makes progress in transforming Congress’ approach to the growing military threat of China in the Western Pacific by calling for closer, more consistent scrutiny of China’s rapid military growth by the Department of Defense.”

From Forbes’ announcement, here’s some of what his amendment would require:

Strengthening the annual military power report on China. An amendment introduced by Forbes and adopted by the full Committee expands the requirement of the annual military power report on China to include an assessment on the nature of China’s cyber activities directed against the Department of Defense and related damage as well as China’s efforts, including technological transfer and espionage, to access DoD information. The amendment also reestablishes the name of the report as the “Annual Report on Military Power of the People’s Republic of China.” [Note: It was changed in the FY10 defense authorization bill to “Annual Report to Congress on Military Security Developments Involving the People’s Republic of China,” says Forbes spokesman Joe Hack.]
Requiring the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to identify Pacific Command’s most critical needs. The bill requires the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to submit to Congress, as part of the Chairman’s assessment of risks under the National Military Strategy, an assessment of the critical deficiencies and strengths in force capabilities (including manpower, logistics, intelligence, and mobility support) identified during the preparation and review of contingency plans of each geographic combatant commander and assess the impact on security objectives and strategic plans. The intent of the provision is to encourage a holistic approach in evaluating our global force structure and resources in light of China’s rapid military modernization and to ensure Congress is aware of the most critical needs of our combatant commanders in executing their mission.
Evaluating the United States’ industrial base to identify potential gaps that might affect military readiness. DoD relies on thousands of suppliers to ensure that it has the weapons, supporting equipment, and raw materials it needs to support current and future conflicts against conventional opponents. However, increasing globalization in the defense industry presents uncertainty in the U.S. forces’ ability to maintain a reliable and sufficient supplier base in the event of conflicts. The Committee notes that studies by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) have found that DoD lacks a framework and consistent approach for managing supplier base concerns such as counterfeit parts in the supply chain, and reliance on rare earth materials from the People’s Republic of China in military equipment and systems. As a result, the bill would require a specific assessment of the vulnerabilities posed to defense systems.
Reviewing and reporting on Iran’s and China’s conventional and anti-access capabilities. The bill would require the Secretary of Defense to submit to relevant congressional committees, a classified study, undertaken by an independent entity outside of DoD, assessing the gaps between conventional and anti-access capabilities of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the People’s Republic of China and the U.S. forces’ ability to overcome such capabilities.
Assessing national security implications of U.S. federal debt owned by China. The legislation requires the Director of the Congressional Budget Office to determine and make publicly available the amount of accrued interest on the U.S. Federal debt paid to the People’s Republic of China during the five years preceding enactment. Additionally, this section requires the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, to carry out an assessment of the impacts to U.S. national security posed by Chinese held U.S. debt.


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Just saw that too. I wonder if it could be related to higher living costs/inflation/social discontent in general?

Seems a bit far to go if it was that but violent attacks have been slowly increasing in intensity in the last few years like the whole killing kindergartners saga.
 
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