China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

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BoeingEngineer

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Intercepting ICBMs is child's play these days. China is practicing intercepting HGVs.

Intercepting india's low tech missiles are indeed mere child's play for China !!

Even US's current ICBM the Minuteman III can be easily intercepted due to their lack of MIRV !!
 

BoeingEngineer

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India's Agni V is something 1990s China could deal with. Especially when the low double digit numbers of Agni V missiles are considered. The US DoD says that China launches more ballistic missiles for exercise and training every year than the rest of the world put together. If one watches and follows Chinese defence reporting, one can see dozens of ballistic missiles (usually SRBM and MRBM admittedly but nonetheless it shows production capability) fired every few weeks. China has launched more ballistic missiles in exercises and training this year than India has ballistic missiles of all kinds (all lower ranged except Agni V which itself is still no ICBM) in its entire inventory.


To be Frank. Things will get much worst for india in the coming years and decades, as their mere low yield nuclear arsenal gets 100% nullified by China's superior military capabilities and the gap will only get bigger !!

Which also explains why india prefer using aircraft to deliver their weak nukes. Every nuclear super power like Russia, China, US all uses missiles !! But india does not even have any decent aircraft that can actually deliver them without being shot down ! :D
 

Overbom

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To be Frank. Things will get much worst for india in the coming years and decades, as their mere low yield nuclear arsenal gets 100% nullified by China's superior military capabilities and the gap will only get bigger !!

Which also explains why india prefer using aircraft to deliver their weak nukes. Every nuclear super power like Russia, China, US all uses missiles !! But india does not even have any decent aircraft that can actually deliver them without being shot down ! :D
If not for this whole US-China hegemony fight, nuclear blackmail against India would be possible. Unfortunate timing
 

theforgotten0007

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Thanks for the link. I was hesitant downloading the PDF for security reasons especially when I found out that the source material and the think tank itself is based in India. But against my reluctance I downloaded the PDF to read the publication/published report in its entirety without skipping or skim reading.
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Anyway, the report reads as follows: China is continuing it's torrid pace of Military modernization that encompasses "Whole civilizational" approach in trying to realize its strategic goals of world class military by 2049. China is well on it's pace achieving these goals and India for her part must match China at every possible avenue by Copying the same forward looking postures since India will become the 2nd or 3rd largest economy in the world by 2047, which is 2 years away from the Chinese goal of having a world class military.
Great review, though I wish it were longer.

While the focus on GDP (nominal/PPP) as a base metric isn't wrong, one has to note the importance of even wealth distribution throughout the nation i.e. Gini coefficient. It isn't inherently useful if a country with a strong economy has most of its wealth concentrated on a few individuals (wide income gap). As it stands today, India is at 82.3 (lower the better), almost twice that of China, which is why we're not seeing much in the way of poverty alleviation.

Last I checked,
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leaving less than half for equipment maintenance/procurement. Unless there's an institution wide change in mindset, I don't see how having a similar sized economy translates to similar military capabilities.

But has there been a case study where the charge against the PLA/CPC and before that the Soviet system have any objective merits in terms of overall combat effectiveness of the said system? If you have any insights or some reading material you can provide that would be of great help. Thanks in advance.
If you haven't already, refer to
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as he traces the lessons CPC/PLA took since post-ww2. Plenty of gems addressing China's constant need to adapt to the precarious nature it found itself in.
 
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Forward Chinese destroyer type 055. The Chinese Navy has published a promo video about the destroyers of project 055. The first destroyer of the 4th generation, project 055, was first launched in 2014. Type 055 destroyers are so large that they are classed as cruisers in the US. Ships of this series are being built very quickly, short construction times have been achieved due to the modular-sectional approach. The ship is equipped with a Type 346B radar capable of detecting large targets at ranges up to 600 km. The destroyer has modular vertical launchers for missiles, the total ammunition load is 112 missiles. To destroy surface and coastal targets, the destroyer can use YJ-18 and CJ-10 cruise missiles. Air defense at medium and long ranges is carried out using HHQ-9 and HHQ-16 missiles. There are also CY-5 anti-submarine missiles. The ship is equipped with a 130-mm artillery system, 30-mm machine guns, an HJ-10 anti-aircraft system with 24 missiles and electronic warfare systems. To combat underwater targets, there are two 324 mm torpedo tubes. The displacement of the ship is 13,000 tons. At the moment, the destroyers of this project are considered among the most powerful in the world.

 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Cross-posting this screenshot posted by @tphuang at the Rumored Type 076 LHD/LHA Discussion thread.

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Here is to peel off his points from the screenshot above, one-by-one:
1. 2023年,海基和陆基反导系统会正式公开。

2. 2023年,火箭军DF-xx新型洲际导弹和DF-XX反卫星导弹大概会再次进行试射。DF-XX反卫星导弹不用HQ命名,因为隶属火箭军,所以用了DF的名号(也有可能两个编号)。

3. 2023年,611六代机可能提前亮相,先于洛马同款。六代机猜测命名歼-30。

4. 2023年,大八轮车族还有新版榴弹炮入役,期待新型坦克亮相。

5. 2023年,054B出来也是必然的,期待焕然一新的构型和性能。

6. 2023年,076极有可能会同时开建3-4艘。

7. 2023年,歼-35极有可能和试航中的003合练时间为下半年。这是我国首次进行舰载机海上电磁弹射测试,灰常期待。

8. 2023年,亚轨道重复使用飞行器和空天飞行器的测试还将继续。有着国产X-37B之称的某型空天飞行器现在还在轨,预计2023年将返回,然后重新发射一架同型/改进型。

I will not bother with the remaining content about his prediction on the future course of the Ukraine war, since the content provided is incomplete, and hence will not be discussed in this post.

Roughly translated:
1. In 2023, the sea-based and land-based anti-missile systems will be officially disclosed.

2. In 2023, the new rocket DF-xx ICBM and DF-XX ASATM will probably be test-fired again. the DF-XX ASATM does not use the HQ nomenclature because it is under the rocket army, so it uses the DF name (there are also two possible numbers).

3. In 2023, 611 (Institute's) sixth-generation aircraft may be unveiled in advance, ahead of the same model of Lockheed Martin. the sixth-generation aircraft is speculated to be named as J-30.

4. In 2023, the big eight-wheeled vehicle family and a new version of howitzers into service, looking forward to the appearance of new tanks.

5. In 2023, 054B coming out is also inevitable, looking forward to a new configuration and performance.

6. In 2023, 076 will most likely start building 3-4 ships at the same time.

7. In 2023, J-35 is very likely and test navigation onboard the 003 in combined testings in the later-half of the year. This is the first time China's naval electromagnetic ejection test, very worth looking forward to.

8. In 2023, suborbital reusable vehicle and air vehicle testing will continue. A certain type of space vehicle with the nickname of "domestic X-37B" is still in orbit right now, and is expected to return in 2023, and then re-launch an identical/improved type.

To be honest, I have mixed feelings. These claims by @梁无咎 range from pretty close to what we have been expecting so far (i.e. 054B and the new 8-wheeled IFV) to just outright hilarious (611 Institute's 6th-generation fighter).

However, what I'm more curious about are regarding #1, #2 and #6. For #6, I have already mentioned in the Rumored Type 076 LHD/LHA Discussion thread, so I won't dive in anymore.

#1 - What does he meant by "sea-based and land-based anti-missile systems"? Something like the China AEGIS Ballistic Missile Defense (AEGIS BMD) system?

#2 - What do these "new rocket DF-xx ICBM and DF-XX ASATM" refers to? Could the DF-xx ICBM refering to DF-51? Or DF-27? Besides, shouldn't those special-mission Chinese ASATMs be known as Dong Nengs (DN) instead?

Personally, since this @梁无咎 guy is also kinda known as the second idiot sandwich, so I'm taking his claims - or at least some of it - with a huge pinch of salt.

What do you guys think?
 

In4ser

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Does anyone know how and/or where to obtain the percentages of industrial production spent on defense as mentioned in the tweet below?


22% (including the Cold War) versus 3% - That is a HUGE DIFFERENCE...
Makes you wonder, if the US is spending that much of its manufacturing capacity on the military, why is it still having difficulty procuring ammunition and gear for its War in Ukraine?
 
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