China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

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Bellum_Romanum

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I believe the PLA is adjusting their tactics where appropriate, it's already taking a more western approach to warfare. Especially with the recent display at the 2022 Zhuhai Airshow showing combined arms methods of warfare with the showing of multiple pieces of military equipment for use in a combined arms format for the export market. And I'm sure the CPC are watching the conflict in Ukraine closely and taking notes of what works and what doesn't work, it's an invaluable resource of knowledge to dig into. China has the infrastructure and industry to make changes where need be at no great expense to the Chinese economy.

These minor disputes or incidents with the Indians may just be China probing, recording the response of Indian troops and their government for data analysis. Russia has conducted this practice over Europe for many years, testing Nato response times and
re-activeness. Russia often sent bombers all the way to Scotland in the UK to see how long it took RAF Typhoons to intercept, and deployed submarines / warships to various Nato countries for the same reasoning.
Sounds logical, reasonable, but the result in the ongoing war in Ukraine frankly leaves most of us, myself included that looked up to Russian military in disbelief and utter contempt with their choleric/peevish performance.
 

Dragon of War

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Sounds logical, reasonable, but the result in the ongoing war in Ukraine frankly leaves most of us, myself included that looked up to Russian military in disbelief and utter contempt with their choleric/peevish performance.

Russia would have had a quick and decisive victory in Ukraine if not for the factor of America and her allies getting so heavily involved, we know this from Russia's success in Crimea 2014. The Russian's pretty much just walked in and the under-equipped Ukrainian defenders just gave in without much hesitation. And in other instances they got pressured to give up after a couple days of hunger, as the Russian force besiege their barracks with superior fire power. The current war is of attrition against the West, it comes at the cost of increased cost of living, silly high gas bills in Europe, food shortages in the most vulnerable nations and everything else scoring in price in the West all for the war effort in supporting the Ukrainians. Wars, especially prolonged modern day wars are v e r y expensive, this is a known fact throughout all history in all mind-kinds endeavors in War.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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But has there been a case study where the charge against the PLA/CPC and before that the Soviet system have any objective merits in terms of overall combat effectiveness of the said system? If you have any insights or some reading material you can provide that would be of great help. Thanks in advance.
PLA and Soviet Army do not share the same traditions though. Soviet Army is descended from Imperial Russian Army which was one of the old school imperialist European armies with a tradition going back to the era of Napoleon, but PLA didn't descend from Qing Banner Armies, Beiyang Army or KMT army, it is the historical equal of the KMT army since both were founded at the same time from officers attending Whampoa.

Doctrine is neither good or bad, there is only fit or unfit. US air centric doctrine? Awesome for the US. Not so awesome for South Vietnam or Republic of Afghanistan, which no longer exist. Afghanistan in particular suffered aircraft breakdown after breakdown in the leadup to the Taliban resurgence because they couldn't afford to keep them running. Is the Taliban's strategy of pickup trucks with a few guys with AK-47s in the back better than making billion dollar powerpoints of the "Seaborne High Intensity Tactical System" or something? Not for the US, because it's silly to project force with Toyota Tundras. But it is not so silly for the Taliban.

You know how I know Indian doctrine is laughable while China's is a force to be reckoned with? Because they don't understand this. You can't have a military doctrine if you change strategy based on what you buy. You can only have a real military doctrine if you know what your strategy is and buy accordingly.. They're much closer to Afghanistan than they are to China, and I don't mean just culturally. Meanwhile Chinese understand this very well, there are no delusions, every tool in the Chinese arsenal is fit for purpose.
 

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India to set up the fourth arm of the Indian Armed Forces - the Indian Rocket Force (IRF), which I believe would act as a direct counterpart to the People's Liberation Army Rocket Force (PLARF) of China.

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The missile race is officially on, and China is going to be flanked from both the Pacific and Hiamalayan frontiers.

That means China MUST greatly expand and enhance her PLARF capabilities to better counter newer and evolving threats posed by American, Japanese and Indian cruise, ballistic and hypersonic missiles, alongside cooperation and integration with other branches of the PLA that should work towards denying her enemies of their missile projection capabilities for as much as possible.
 
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luosifen

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India to set up the fourth arm of the Indian Armed Forces - the Indian Rocket Force (IRF), which I believe would act as a direct counterpart to the People's Liberation Army Rocket Force (PLARF) of China.

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The missile race is officially on, and China is going to be flanked from both the Pacific and Hiamalayan frontiers.

That means China MUST greatly expand and enhance her PLARF capabilities to better counter newer and evolving threats posed by American, Japanese and Indian cruise, ballistic and hypersonic missiles, alongside cooperation and integration with other branches of the PLA that should work towards denying her enemies of their missile projection capabilities for as much as possible.
Add a /s for sarcasm so newbies don't mistake your statements as being serious.
 

Stryker

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Add a /s for sarcasm so newbies don't mistake your statements as being serious.
Can India really manufacture thousands of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, hypersonic glide vehicles, hypersonic cruise missiles under a strict QC regime? This doesn't even include the thousands of TELs & support vehicles like Radar, power generators, food & supply vehicles etc that also need to be manufactured alongside the missiles and their launchers. Not to mention the timely maintenance of all these equipment in a variety of different geographical and thus climatic conditions. How about the variety of ground based, space based, air based sensors that they would need to achieve a viable firing solution? Even if we assume the Indians will say Jai Hind and build all these systems out of thin air but then how would they find huge number of intelligent, competent soldiers who are NOT 82 IQs to man these systems day in and day out for years? Their Agni missile are limited in numbers (probably 30 or so) even after 2 decades or so since their first test. Who the heck is feeding their egos and delusions that they are the next China in literally anything other than population size smh.
 

Dragon of War

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Can India really manufacture thousands of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, hypersonic glide vehicles, hypersonic cruise missiles under a strict QC regime? This doesn't even include the thousands of TELs & support vehicles like Radar, power generators, food & supply vehicles etc that also need to be manufactured alongside the missiles and their launchers. Not to mention the timely maintenance of all these equipment in a variety of different geographical and thus climatic conditions. How about the variety of ground based, space based, air based sensors that they would need to achieve a viable firing solution? Even if we assume the Indians will say Jai Hind and build all these systems out of thin air but then how would they find huge number of intelligent, competent soldiers who are NOT 82 IQs to man these systems day in and day out for years? Their Agni missile are limited in numbers (probably 30 or so) even after 2 decades or so since their first test. Who the heck is feeding their egos and delusions that they are the next China in literally anything other than population size smh.

Domestically no, but through foreign aid and advisors yes, the Indian military is very much a foreign funded, capitalists wage slave. This also means they're tied down by diplomatic relations, if they upset party A they might not be getting those new anti-air missile systems or if they upset party B they won't be getting those shiny new 5th gen fighters they desperately need. A lot of modern China was built from the fruits of foreign aid and advisors as we all remember the period in China's history where it closed itself off to the greater world. But China chose to learn from and create their own domestic brands to quell this reliance as it's a big hindrance to any free nation and through much trial and era climbed its way back up to relevancy.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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India to set up the fourth arm of the Indian Armed Forces - the Indian Rocket Force (IRF), which I believe would act as a direct counterpart to the People's Liberation Army Rocket Force (PLARF) of China.

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The missile race is officially on, and China is going to be flanked from both the Pacific and Hiamalayan frontiers.

That means China MUST greatly expand and enhance her PLARF capabilities to better counter newer and evolving threats posed by American, Japanese and Indian cruise, ballistic and hypersonic missiles, alongside cooperation and integration with other branches of the PLA that should work towards denying her enemies of their missile projection capabilities for as much as possible.
Given Agni-V's 7000km+ range, if launched at China, it would be a high-speed lofted trajectory. They only thing India lacks right now is MARV (maneuverable warhead) technology. Does China possess anything that could shoot down a lofted trajectory ICBM?
 
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