China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

[ACuriousPLAFan]

What are they unhappy about? In 1994, their fleet was close to our coastline and pursued our nuclear submarines. We did not go to the west coast of the United States to track their nuclear submarines. Some people just take things they are used to as a matter of course.

Having sat on the throne of civilization for the past 6 centuries means that their inbred senses of superiority, arrogance, narcissism and ignorance have been long solidified and anchored within the minds and actions of the West.

In other words, the West couldn't bear and accept the fact and reality where in just barely more than one century, China-versus-West went from this:

To this:


Remember what Nankai University Professor Ya Yuejing said:

实力永远是维护正义的基础，国防才是外交的后盾；尊严只在剑锋之上，真理只在大炮射程之内

Strength is always the foundation of justice, national defense is the backing of diplomacy; Dignity is only on the edge of swords, truth is only within the range of cannons

 

[hullopilllw]

Having sat on the throne of civilization for the past 6 centuries means that their inbred senses of superiority, arrogance, narcissism and ignorance have been long solidified and anchored within the minds and actions of the West.

In other words, the West couldn't bear and accept the fact and reality where in just barely more than one century, China-versus-West went from this:
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To this:
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Remember what Nankai University Professor Ya Yuejing said:

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[Taiban]

A monograph on Chinese 14th FYP's military objectives

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[Bellum_Romanum]

A monograph on Chinese 14th FYP's military objectives

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Thanks for the link. I was hesitant downloading the PDF for security reasons especially when I found out that the source material and the think tank itself is based in India. But against my reluctance I downloaded the PDF to read the publication/published report in its entirety without skipping or skim reading.



I thought the writer did her best to be as objective as she possibly can, with respect to the inherent built-in-biased she has against China, and especially against a political system inherently seen and understood by many people around the world as a relic of the past and useless. However, as the case with most western led thinkers and would be China analysts they can't help themselves in making declaratory statements that are not backed by any meaningful and objective analysis. For example:

Talent and Military Fighting Spirit Xi’s instructions are clear to “bring together the best and the brightest from all fields…and redouble efforts to foster military’s fighting spirit.”43 Xi, through a series of standoffs with various militaries since 2022, is clear that PLA neither has the desired talent to operate the modern equipment nor do his soldiers have the required fighting spirit expected out of a soldier. Having realised the negative impact of one-child policy resulting in chocolate soldiers as most recently seen in Yangtze incident on 09 December 2022...

Now where's the evidence of this hysterical claim to support such bold assertion.

She continues...

Chinese military policy reforms aim to induct, harness, and retain world’s best talent to exploit technology and overcome deficiency in military qualities valour and courage. Indian defence forces need to refine their own human resources’ management policies to identify, acquire, induct, harness, and retain best Indian talent. The courage and valour need to be adequately matched with technological threshold and domain specialisation.

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After providing a backhanded compliment to the Chinese approach she essentially is recommending the same policy prescription for India to follow. In other words COPY AND PASTE BUT CALL IT WITH AN INDIAN NAME.

Over-Emphasis on Party Loyalty With a permanent focus on ensuring CPC’s survival and justifying ‘Mandate of Heaven’, the CMC’s priority is on enhancing political loyalty first and then only professional competence. Hence, it is a major weakness wherein Party comes first,Nation second, and the populace last always and every time. In a ‘Redvs Expert’ battle for eminence, Red will always be given priority in promotion in CPC’s military. In fact, CMC Chairman Xi goes on to elaborate in his 20th Party Congress report that the CPC “will continue to arm our military service members with the Party’s new theories”44.The Party’s control over PLA is so deep that even the military theories are being decided by Party hierarchy. Thus, the PLA’s commanders at all levels, because of the over-emphasis on Loyalty, will always look backwards to their political bosses for decisions and are very likely to fail when time critical decisions are to be taken which could be the turning point in any swift battle or untoward situation. A major lesson for Indian defence forces is to exploit this weakness.

I do find that critique intriguing and have merit so I would be interested to know what's the argument to be made against the loyalty to the party vs loyalty to the state and its possible implications both pro and cons in the outcome of military engagements. Is the past experience of the CPC/PLA still a useful reference for the success of future conflicts?

Anyway, the report reads as follows: China is continuing it's torrid pace of Military modernization that encompasses "Whole civilizational" approach in trying to realize its strategic goals of world class military by 2049. China is well on it's pace achieving these goals and India for her part must match China at every possible avenue by Copying the same forward looking postures since India will become the 2nd or 3rd largest economy in the world by 2047, which is 2 years away from the Chinese goal of having a world class military.

 

[Lnk111229]

Thanks for the link. I was hesitant downloading the PDF for security reasons especially when I found out that the source material and the think tank itself is based in India. But against my reluctance I downloaded the PDF to read the publication/published report in its entirety without skipping or skim reading.

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I thought the writer did her best to be as objective as she possibly can, with respect to the inherent built-in-biased she has against China, and especially against a political system inherently seen and understood by many people around the world as a relic of the past and useless. However, as the case with most western led thinkers and would be China analysts they can't help themselves in making declaratory statements that are not backed by any meaningful and objective analysis. For example:



Now where's the evidence of this hysterical claim to support such bold assertion.

She continues...



After providing a backhanded compliment to the Chinese approach she essentially is recommending the same policy prescription for India to follow. In other words COPY AND PASTE BUT CALL IT WITH AN INDIAN NAME.




I do find that critique intriguing and have merit so I would be interested to know what's the argument to be made against the loyalty to the party vs loyalty to the state and its possible implications both pro and cons in the outcome of military engagements. Is the past experience of the CPC/PLA still a useful reference for the success of future conflicts?

Anyway, the report reads as follows: China is continuing it's torrid pace of Military modernization that encompasses "Whole civilizational" approach in trying to realize its strategic goals of world class military by 2049. China is well on it's pace achieving these goals and India for her part must match China at every possible avenue by Copying the same forward looking postures since India will become the 2nd or 3rd largest economy in the world by 2047, which is 2 years away from the Chinese goal of having a world class military.

Dumb question, but what is Yangtze incident she talk about?

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Here's the actual report to those who wants to read it.

Dumb question, but what is Yangtze incident she talk about?

A viral video showing Indian Army hitting the PLA border soldiers with sticks which the PLA soldiers decided to retreat a possible deadly confrontation then you see Indians celebrating like they achieved some stupendous victory. But that video was taken from last year and not back this December 9, 2022.

Trying their best to explain that the video is recent

Chinese vlogger own interpretation of the video.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Thanks for the link. I was hesitant downloading the PDF for security reasons especially when I found out that the source material and the think tank itself is based in India. But against my reluctance I downloaded the PDF to read the publication/published report in its entirety without skipping or skim reading.

View attachment 103962

I thought the writer did her best to be as objective as she possibly can, with respect to the inherent built-in-biased she has against China, and especially against a political system inherently seen and understood by many people around the world as a relic of the past and useless. However, as the case with most western led thinkers and would be China analysts they can't help themselves in making declaratory statements that are not backed by any meaningful and objective analysis. For example:



Now where's the evidence of this hysterical claim to support such bold assertion.

She continues...



After providing a backhanded compliment to the Chinese approach she essentially is recommending the same policy prescription for India to follow. In other words COPY AND PASTE BUT CALL IT WITH AN INDIAN NAME.




I do find that critique intriguing and have merit so I would be interested to know what's the argument to be made against the loyalty to the party vs loyalty to the state and its possible implications both pro and cons in the outcome of military engagements. Is the past experience of the CPC/PLA still a useful reference for the success of future conflicts?

Anyway, the report reads as follows: China is continuing it's torrid pace of Military modernization that encompasses "Whole civilizational" approach in trying to realize its strategic goals of world class military by 2049. China is well on it's pace achieving these goals and India for her part must match China at every possible avenue by Copying the same forward looking postures since India will become the 2nd or 3rd largest economy in the world by 2047, which is 2 years away from the Chinese goal of having a world class military.

Indian soldiers are indeed not loyal to a party. they mostly have tribal, caste and religious allegiances like a feudal levy.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Indian soldiers are indeed not loyal to a party. they mostly have tribal, caste and religious allegiances like a feudal levy.

But has there been a case study where the charge against the PLA/CPC and before that the Soviet system have any objective merits in terms of overall combat effectiveness of the said system? If you have any insights or some reading material you can provide that would be of great help. Thanks in advance.

 

[Lime]

There must be some videos taken from Dec 9 but not leaked because China don't want to aggravate the conflict.
Actually the PLA soldiers didn't use sticks this time and some information shows they equipped new weapon. Maybe a kind of weapon between cold and hot.

 

[Dragon of War]

I do find that critique intriguing and have merit so I would be interested to know what's the argument to be made against the loyalty to the party vs loyalty to the state and its possible implications both pro and cons in the outcome of military engagements. Is the past experience of the CPC/PLA still a useful reference for the success of future conflicts?

Anyway, the report reads as follows: China is continuing it's torrid pace of Military modernization that encompasses "Whole civilizational" approach in trying to realize its strategic goals of world class military by 2049. China is well on it's pace achieving these goals and India for her part must match China at every possible avenue by Copying the same forward looking postures since India will become the 2nd or 3rd largest economy in the world by 2047, which is 2 years away from the Chinese goal of having a world class military.

I believe the PLA is adjusting their tactics where appropriate, it's already taking a more western approach to warfare. Especially with the recent display at the 2022 Zhuhai Airshow showing combined arms methods of warfare with the showing of multiple pieces of military equipment for use in a combined arms format for the export market. And I'm sure the CPC are watching the conflict in Ukraine closely and taking notes of what works and what doesn't work, it's an invaluable resource of knowledge to dig into. China has the infrastructure and industry to make changes where need be at no great expense to the Chinese economy.

These minor disputes or incidents with the Indians may just be China probing, recording the response of Indian troops and their government for data analysis. Russia has conducted this practice over Europe for many years, testing Nato response times and
re-activeness. Russia often sent bombers all the way to Scotland in the UK to see how long it took RAF Typhoons to intercept, and deployed submarines / warships to various Nato countries for the same reasoning.