China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

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Michaelsinodef

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ACuriousPLAFan

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Interesting how much increase Chinese defense spending in 2023

It is a huge increase for the US .. can the US afford it? the percentage to US Federal revenue is 858/4,896 = 17.5%

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The deficit now is $1.2T, 25% of Fed revenue .. getting higher and higher .. scary

Just for the interest, the US now paying almost $0.5T ... wowww
It is clear to all that the major players across the Indopac theater are now locked in an arms-and-treasury race, regardless whether China's MOFA acknowledges that or not.

But, consider this:

If China's current military spending to GDP ratio of less than 2% is (more than) enough to rile up Japan (1% to 2%), India (reach-&-pass 3%) and the United States (reach-&-pass 4%) to jack up their defence spending significantly -

Imagine how much do these countries have to be forced to jack up their defense budget even further (especially in light of the current global economic downturn and recession), if/when China's military budget reaches (or even just marginally surpassing) the 2% mark of her GDP?

The US + allies managed to bankrupt the Soviet Union through intense arms race during the 1st Cold War. Perhaps this time would be for China to join forces with Russia + others to return the favor, and bankrupt the US + allies in this 2nd Cold War?
 

daifo

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Is there anywhere he saves the videos/ pod casts because i would love to hear his stances and views. I am rather tired of most of the internets tendency to shut down any china discussion that is not usa number 1 .
He made it private, but the summary posted here prior was pretty good and alot of takes were similar from Patch and Rick's post on sdf. They spent a fair amount of time just shooting the breeze and clowning around. I would say the views were similar to the sober moderate views you sometime may be able to find on r/lesscredibledefense r/warshipporn
 

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He made it private, but the summary posted here prior was pretty good and alot of takes were similar from Patch and Rick's post on sdf. They spent a fair amount of time just shooting the breeze and clowning around. I would say the views were similar to the sober moderate views you sometime may be able to find on r/lesscredibledefense r/warshipporn

Was the 25-35% GDP decline for both China and the US mentioned?

There's general recognition that the economic effects of a war would be bad. But when you frame this at a level comparable to the Great Depression, it's easier for people to understand what this means.

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I'm reminded of how European consumers/governments are paying an extra $1 trillion in energy costs, which no one in Europe actually considered. Remember that Russia expected to continue selling oil and gas to Europe, and didn't expect such severe sanctions to be enacted by Europe.

If you apply just a 25% decline to US GDP, that's over $6 Trillion
 
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bobsagget

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Was the 25-35% GDP decline for both China and the US mentioned?

There's general recognition that the economic effects of a war would be bad. But when you frame this at a level comparable to the Great Depression, it's easier for people to understand what this means.

EDIT

I'm reminded of how European consumers/governments are paying an extra $1 trillion in energy costs, which no one in Europe actually considered. Remember that Russia expected to continue selling oil and gas to Europe, and didn't expect such severe sanctions to be enacted by Europe.

If you apply just a 25% decline to US GDP, that's over $6 Trillion
Thats one thing i warn folks about a war is that all trade from the asian region would stop . folks do not understand that is where spark plugs small motors etc all come from. most of our economy would cease to function meanwhile china has pipelines and rail lines to friendly countries. such a loss to the us economy would cause a major issue with our 31 trillion in debt.
 

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He said there are too many dumb takes on reddit etc or not enough productive conversation so he disappears off the weeeb for a while to take a break but he eventually gets drawns in again
There is a block button on reddit and an ignore button on SDF. He should learn to use it. If you can't change others, then change your own reaction to the objectionable content...Interwebz 101.
 

ansy1968

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It is clear to all that the major players across the Indopac theater are now locked in an arms-and-treasury race, regardless whether China's MOFA acknowledges that or not.

But, consider this:

If China's current military spending to GDP ratio of less than 2% is (more than) enough to rile up Japan (1% to 2%), India (reach-&-pass 3%) and the United States (reach-&-pass 4%) to jack up their defence spending significantly -

Imagine how much do these countries have to be forced to jack up their defense budget even further (especially in light of the current global economic downturn and recession), if/when China's military budget reaches (or even just marginally surpassing) the 2% mark of her GDP?

The US + allies managed to bankrupt the Soviet Union through intense arms race during the 1st Cold War. Perhaps this time would be for China to join forces with Russia + others to return the favor, and bankrupt the US + allies in this 2nd Cold War?
On the current geopolitical situation with the US, an Arm race is good for China. Maintaining an Escalatory Dominance is the right strategy. It also provide a major impetus for further development and modernization of the Chinese economy. From the lesson of the Ukraine Russia war the collective west can't produce enough ammunition for a long protracted war and the Chinese had the patience and endurance to sustain one.

Here you can see the US desperation and want a resolution before 2025 while they hold an edge, the Russian had given China ample time to prepare and its vassal are unable to match the Chinese effort with grim economic uncertain looming large. So the unexpected happen, they were forced to hedge and for me that is a victory taken from Sun Tzu, winning without fighting. ;)
 

Michaelsinodef

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Those who read with critical thinking and not with blind bias.
And what actual difference are they gonna be making though? (only gonna be a smaller number at the end of the day)
What do you mean, there is much disinformation online, it's also a type of electronic warfare by governments.
Hm, yea I guess you right that the internet is kind of the wild west in terms of regulation, but in terms of actual control as well as pushing internet discource etc. it is under quite a lot of control of US/CIA
 

Dragon of War

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And what actual difference are they gonna be making though? (only gonna be a smaller number at the end of the day)

That's besides the point, you don'stop doing what's right or correcting thinking just because you think most people won't follow what you say, pure speculation on your party and a defeatist attitude.

Hm, yea I guess you right that the internet is kind of the wild west in terms of regulation, but in terms of actual control as well as pushing internet discource etc. it is under quite a lot of control of US/CIA

Each individual country is responsible for its internet control, China is a clear example of that control and something any government could enforce if necessary to them.
 
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