China-US-Taiwan Economic (Temp closed-pls read my last post)

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Jeff Head

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vincent said:
Jeff, China made it very very clear for the longest time that there must not be any foreign troops in Taiwan. It is not negotiable for the Chinese. Plus since the Chinese government considers Taiwan as part of its territory, if US choose to ignore the Chinese government's warning and send in ships uninvited by the Chinese government, it is pretty much an act of war. (Can Chinese war ships suddenly sail into San Diego uninvited?)
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I spent a lot of time in Taiwan in the late 1990s and into the early 2000s. There were US military enovoys in country then.

I suspect there are some there now...giving advise and what not on projects that may involve US contractors.

And please...tone down the rhetoric. A US ship visiting a Taiwan port would never be any type of "act of war" whatsoever.

Any visit to Taiwan would not come without notice, requests and approval from the government of Taiwan.

In that case, from Taiwan's perspective there would be no act of war whatsoever, and from Bejing's standpoint, it would be more like a wayward provincial leadership than any act of war.

So, as I stated earlier, let's leave off this train of thought about war between China and the US.

I am changing the name of this thread to Economic Relations as a result.
 
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Jeff Head said:
And please...tone down the rhetoric. A US ship visiting a Taiwan port would never be any type of "act of war" whatsoever.

Any visit to Taiwan would not come without notice, requests and approval from the government of Taiwan.
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It is not a matter of innocent passage either. Taiwan is not authorized to approve such a visit and China can declare the port concerned closed.
 
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Jeff Head said:
I spent a lot of time in Taiwan in the late 1990s and into the early 2000s. There were US military enovoys in country then.
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China had no ability to do anything back then

Jeff Head said:
Any visit to Taiwan would not come without notice, requests and approval from the government of Taiwan.

In that case, from Taiwan's perspective there would be no act of war whatsoever, and from Bejing's standpoint, it would be more like a wayward provincial leadership than any act of war.
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That's the main sticking point, isn't it. In mainland's eyes, Taiwan has no authority to approve anything. Can the Catalans government invite Russia troops for a visit without the approval of the Madrid government? Catalans government did declare independence after all. If Russia does send troops over, how will NATO react? What's good for the goose is good for the gander
 
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Jeff Head said:
manqiangrexue, CONSIDER THIS A WANING, ALONG WITH ANYONE ELSE TALKING ABOUT NUCLEAR WAR.

In addition,, manqiangrexue, this is not a US negative forum, nor is it a Chinese, Taiwan, Japan, or many other nation negative forum.

I also warn you to watch your language regarding other countries and potential insults to them.

If you keep up such behavior, warnings will turn into suspensions and suspensions will turn into a ban.

DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MODERATION...just follow it.[/color[
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manqiangrexue has been warned multiple times before but he still hasn't heeded the warning. I will suspend him accordingly.
 
solarz

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manqiangrexue said:
How do you interpret "resolutely oppose" as a renunciation of force?? I could put them in the same smooth-flowing sentence:

"We resolutely oppose these actions and therefore will react with force if they are carried out."
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Never said China was renouncing force. China has declared that it will resort to force if Taiwan declares independence. This Li Kexin is now saying China will use force if US warships visit Taiwan. That is the problem!
 
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siegecrossbow said:
manqiangrexue has been warned multiple times before but he still hasn't heeded the warning. I will suspend him accordingly.
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Jeff wasn't paying attention to the forum for a few months and only recently noticed manqiang's comment from July. It is currently December.

Manqiang hasn't re-offended since you warned him.

It is the responsibility of mods to hand out disciplinary measures in a timely and appropriate manner. Neither of these requirements were met by Jeff's warning. He's severely late and his criticism of manqiang's comment made no sense considering manqiang's comment, in no way, encouraged nuclear war between China and the US which was what Jeff objected to. Seriously, here's the comment if you wish to verify its innocuous nature.

Mods are supposed to check and balance each other, not compound others' missteps. When Golly spewed a string of vitriolic and racist garbage, other mods made sure to expel him indefinitely. Now that Jeff has 1. failed to carry out his duties in a timely fashion and 2. failed to read the comment accurately, you, as another mod, have the obligation to un-ban Manqiang because he's not even guilty of whatever you accused him of, and also to speak with Jeff in private and impress upon him of the need to do his job properly. Of course, if Jeff isn't capable or willing to do his job in accordance with the rules and expectations of the forum, he's free to resign as BD did.
 
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solarz said:
Never said China was renouncing force. China has declared that it will resort to force if Taiwan declares independence. This Li Kexin is now saying China will use force if US warships visit Taiwan. That is the problem!
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The understanding is that a port call by a US warship to Taiwan would be interpreted as a significant move towards independence.
 
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solarz said:
Never said China was renouncing force. China has declared that it will resort to force if Taiwan declares independence. This Li Kexin is now saying China will use force if US warships visit Taiwan. That is the problem!
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Unilaterally authorising troops from an adversary foreign country to visit and declaring independence just became equated by the PRC. Maybe the PRC could overlook such a move in the 90s but not anymore. That's the real takeaway from Li's comment.
 
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jobjed said:
Jeff wasn't paying attention to the forum for a few months and only recently noticed manqiang's comment from July. It is currently December.

Manqiang hasn't re-offended since you warned him.

It is the responsibility of mods to hand out disciplinary measures in a timely and appropriate manner. Neither of these requirements were met by Jeff's warning. He's severely late and his criticism of manqiang's comment made no sense considering manqiang's comment, in no way, encouraged nuclear war between China and the US which was what Jeff objected to. Seriously, here's the comment if you wish to verify its innocuous nature.

Mods are supposed to check and balance each other, not compound others' missteps. When Golly spewed a string of vitriolic and racist garbage, other mods made sure to expel him indefinitely. Now that Jeff has 1. failed to carry out his duties in a timely fashion and 2. failed to read the comment accurately, you, as another mod, have the obligation to un-ban Manqiang because he's not even guilty of whatever you accused him of, and also to speak with Jeff in private and impress upon him of the need to do his job properly. Of course, if Jeff isn't capable or willing to do his job in accordance with the rules and expectations of the forum, he's free to resign as BD did.
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Frankly over this year I've been a little bit disappointed with the moderator team.

There have been prolonged absences by a number of mods with the ability to ban or to suspend members, whereas other mods like Deino have complained about the inability to ban members.


Of course, the absence of certain mods in being able to monitor activity on the forum is not a problem -- Jeff's healthcare for example is very much a priority and no one would dream of him to conduct moderator activities when there are so many more important things going on in his life.


But in that case, I would prefer it if other mods or members who have a more consistent presence on the forum get given the powers to ban members and to pick up the slack.
Otherwise what we get are occasional spates of bannings without proper context, whereas people who should have been warned and suspended and banned months ago continue to get away with it.
 
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