China-US-Taiwan Economic (Temp closed-pls read my last post)

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taxiya

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Icmer said:
The mainland audience may not have been on embassy minister Li's mind when he issued the threat, but the way the mainland media reported on it so freely is extremely telling. I must emphasize again the lack of official pushback, since it's well-established reality that the government exerts efficient and comprehensive control on what stories can be reported on and shown in domestic media. You said before that Weibo is not official media, but this distinction is less important than you might think. Many leaked government statements regarding content that can and cannot be shown on Weibo essentially amounted to official edicts on censorship. Cooperation with official censorship policy on Weibo has become quicker and more efficient in the past year due to recent public discontent from officials about past excessive dissemination of disapproved content through microblogging services. The government has clearly made some sort of decision as to whether Li's message was too extreme or inaccurate to be widely disseminated domestically.
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I agree that "not blocking on Weibo" is kind of official. I made similar point in another post by saying "there is no need for pushback because Li has said nothing different from the official line".

But I think "doing nothing to block or stop" is not the same as "purposefully actively propagating". Remember, Chinese government can and will block it if it feels the sentiment goes too far (even it is right) just like their "not blocking". Censorship works both ways on either directions regardless the right/wrong of the subject. It is only meant to keep things in check. There for it is telling something, but nothing extreme or fundamental.
 
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Here is the MoF spokesperson's answer to the matter.

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问：据报道，中国驻美国外交官上周五称，如果美国军方根据“2018财政年度国防授权法”派军舰访问台湾，中国将武力统一台湾。这是否代表中国政府立场？

　　答：中国政府在台湾问题上的立场，我相信你和在座的各位记者朋友都非常清楚，这个立场是一贯的、明确的。我们将继续坚持“和平统一、一国两制”方针，推动两岸关系和平发展，推进祖国和平统一进程。同时，我可以再次重申，我们将坚决维护国家主权和领土完整，绝不容忍国家分裂的历史悲剧重演。

　　我还要强调，中方一贯坚决反对美台进行任何形式的官方往来和军事联系。我们要求美方恪守一个中国原则和中美三个联合公报，务必慎重妥善处理涉台问题。
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Question: Does the depolomat's (Li) word represent China's official position.

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China's position is constant and clear.....
In the mean time, China will firmly defend national sovereignty and territory integrity.
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As I have expected, MoF reiterated the official position without directly referring Li's specific words. No deny of it (nothing to deny), nor repeat it (no point to loud it). It is better than my two proposals in not getting to the specifics, very diplomatic.
 
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Guys, leave off woth the speculating and talk about diret war between the US and China.

It also leads to comments that are insulting to other nations, like the US, which are uneeded and uncalled for.

Any more will receive warnings and the thread will be losed.

Like it or not, on all sides. Taiwan still has its own gobernment and elected official;s, still ahs its own military where they are developing their own weaponry, and still claims islands itslef apart from the PRC, and still trades with other countries.

China IMHO has no need to rqcthet up any war mongering. The way the economic model is going will bring the PRC what it wants in any case and one or two or five US ships docking in a Taiwan port will not change that. Starting a war over such an issue could change it though and I believe it is foolish to ratchet things up...it could have exactly the opposite effect.

But speculating and speaking of direct war between the US and China is not allowed so no more of that.

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SinoSoldier said:
I'm calling BS on this one. Recall that not too long ago a few USN F/A-18Cs landed in Taiwan without so much as a peep from the other side of the Strait.
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Kid, speech from third ranking Chinese diplomat in the US don't just come out the of the blue, just like VP's and above in a corporation don't send out company-wide emails without very very careful considerations. Besides, he was describing a conversation with a congressional/senate aide

I thought the F/A-18 landed due to some technical difficulty
 
manqiangrexue

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I'm calling BS on this one. Recall that not too long ago a few USN F/A-18Cs landed in Taiwan without so much as a peep from the other side of the Strait.
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"Two U.S. Marine F/A-18C Hornet aircraft did a precautionary landing at an air force base in southern Taiwan on April 1 after one of the aircraft reportedly flashed a persistent engine oil pressure light warning."

The aircraft made an emergency landing because its systems were sending warnings. Although it could probably could have made it back to somewhere else, it's technically still an emergency landing and happened without any political announcements, etc... Beijing still protested kinda but there's only so much you can say when the other side could easily answer, "Well what do you want him to do, keep flying and potentially have to eject and risk dying in the ocean?" Completely different nature from this here issue.
 
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Jeff, China made it very very clear for the longest time that there must not be any foreign troops in Taiwan. It is not negotiable for the Chinese. Plus since the Chinese government considers Taiwan as part of its territory, if US choose to ignore the Chinese government's warning and send in ships uninvited by the Chinese government, it is pretty much an act of war. (Can Chinese war ships suddenly sail into San Diego uninvited?)
 
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vincent said:
Kid, speech from third ranking Chinese diplomat in the US don't just come out the of the blue, just like VP's and above in a corporation don't send out company-wide emails without very very careful considerations. Besides, he was describing a conversation with a congressional/senate aide

I thought the F/A-18 landed due to some technical difficulty
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Perhaps it has escaped you that Chinese officials have made such bombastic remarks in the past. Unless amendments are made to the anti-secession law to accommodate this new article, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything.
 
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SinoSoldier said:
Perhaps it has escaped you that Chinese officials have made such bombastic remarks in the past. Unless amendments are made to the anti-secession law to accommodate this new article, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything.
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And the bombastic examples of Chinese diplomats are?
 
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