China-US-Taiwan Economic (Temp closed-pls read my last post)

kurutoga said:

Some guy came out say Taiwan solution can not wait till 2049. We shall see some quick development in the next 2-3 months. The conditions are met for China to go on the offensive. It is likely Xi's another major policy move after the party congress.

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The day a United States Navy ship docks in Kaohsiung is the day China will launch a military attack against Taiwan, a Chinese diplomat in the U.S. reportedly said Friday.

Chinese embassy Minister Li Kexin (李克新) was referring to the recent passage by the U.S. Congress of a measure which will allow visits by Navy vessels and military officials from the U.S. and Taiwan to each other’s territory.

He was speaking at an embassy event where more than 200 Chinese students in the U.S. but also Taiwanese residents and media had been invited, the Chinese-language Liberty Times reported.

If the U.S. Navy visited Taiwan, it would violate China’s Anti-Secession Law (反分裂國家法), which had not yet been used before, Li said. The law was passed in 2005 at a time of tension with the Taiwan government of President Chen Shui-bian (高雄) and for the first time formalized Beijing’s threats of military intervention should the island declare independence.

A decision for mutual visits by Navy ships between the U.S. and Taiwan would violate the basic spirit of the establishment of diplomatic relations between Beijing and Washington, Li continued.

“The day that a U.S. Navy vessel arrives in Kaohsiung, is the day that our People’s Liberation Army unites Taiwan with military force,” the Liberty Times quoted Li as saying.

The diplomat emphasized that China’s main policy principle on Taiwan was still peaceful unification, but that it would not rule out the extreme possibility of unification by military force.

In Taipei, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) said it had no way of saying how the U.S. government would interpret the new law, but the threatening way in which a Chinese official had commented on it had hurt the feelings of people on both sides and was not helpful to the positive development of relations between Taiwan and China.

MOFA said the government would continue to promote the peaceful and stable development of cross-straits ties and use dialogue to defuse differences.

Tamkang University international affairs expert Alexander Huang saw Li’s statement as destined for internal Chinese consumption. In addition, since China had no way of overcoming the support for Taiwan in Congress, it used strong language against the work of the Taiwan sympathizers instead, Huang commented.

The expert also found Li’s mention of Kaohsiung strange, since it seemed to imply that if U.S. Navy vessels docked at other Taiwanese ports, it would not matter that much.

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plawolf said:

‘Liberty Times’? Might as well call themselves ‘CIA Psychops Times’.

So one Taiwan based news organisation is quoting another Taiwan based news organisation, but simply referring to it as a ‘Chinese language’ paper to imply that it is a report by a mainland publication, and since good ‘free’ people ‘knows’ all mainland publications are all Chinese government mouthpieces, this must have come straight from Beijing!

Typical click bait psychops disinformation tactics the CIA has been using against China for decades before ‘fake news’ became a recognised thing in the West.

If China was to make such a threat, it would either be behind closed doors with top US officials, or it would be from the Chinese Foreign Ministry and covered live by Xinhua.

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plawolf said:

‘Liberty Times’? Might as well call themselves ‘CIA Psychops Times’.

So one Taiwan based news organisation is quoting another Taiwan based news organisation, but simply referring to it as a ‘Chinese language’ paper to imply that it is a report by a mainland publication, and since good ‘free’ people ‘knows’ all mainland publications are all Chinese government mouthpieces, this must have come straight from Beijing!

Typical click bait psychops disinformation tactics the CIA has been using against China for decades before ‘fake news’ became a recognised thing in the West.

If China was to make such a threat, it would either be behind closed doors with top US officials, or it would be from the Chinese Foreign Ministry and covered live by Xinhua.

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manqiangrexue said:

Democracies are slow to respond; the system is supposed to prevent corruption but it also means that it must run its course through many people and checks. The US didn't react quickly enough on Crimea or Georgia. The US still can't form a cohesive reaction on the SCS. That you think they can make rapid decisions in this context is unsupported, especially when it comes to a decision that they know can provoke nuclear war. And to be honest, China would much like to keep the US out of the conflict, but if the US insists on being in Taiwan, then for China, there's nowhere to go except to strike the island with them on it and prepare for full scale war. Keeping them off is to protect them from throwing away their lives there and making things difficult for everyone (USA, Mainland China, and ROC); it is NOT because China can only act without them there.

You mean that a missile might miss a military target and destroy a city? That might happen, but not often though. Chinese missile accuracy is very high as it was greatly valued since Mao Zedong's time as an asymmetric warfare route to develop; China is the only country to develop a land-based ballistic missile with the accuracy to hit moving ships thousands of miles away. It would be fantasy to think anything other than that the vast majority will successfully hit their targets. But if China decides to blanket bomb 2,000 missiles over Taiwan, it won't be much of a difference anyway. If it fires a few hundred, it may be to cripple Taiwan's military, but if it fires 2,000 then a red line was probably reached where it was decided that it would be too difficult to take Taiwan with any preservation of the island's resources, so it must be completely destroyed to show the world the fate of traitors. Then it would reduce the issue to who owns a smoking rock. It's not ideal but most Chinese can live with that. They cannot live with Taiwan's independence.

That you think the Chinese are not prepared to go to nuclear war for Taiwan is precisely why you are too ignorant on the Taiwan topic to make any meaningful contribution. You say it's a complicated topic but you clearly don't understand what that means. China's leadership has declared nuclear war before Taiwan's independence and the Chinese people will not tolerate the government backing away. I've basically never met a Chinese person who grew up in China who thought that Taiwan should be independent under any circumstance; it's a fervent issue that people feel strongly about. I personally don't know how I could live with the shame if Taiwan was to be allowed independence; I'd much rather die in the war. Your statement that China would rather let Taiwan go than go to nuclear war disqualifies you from making any progress here. Because you think this, that's why everyone here is basically talking to a wall when trying to educate you on the situation.

On the other hand, the US is a country that would not go to lengths for Taiwan, as it sees it as a pawn. If the US were interested in democracy or "freeing" Taiwan, it would have done so decades ago. In the 80's and '90's China was an insect compared to its modern day self. At any day, the US could have acted but it always weighed the benefits and risks of helping Taiwan and China has always provided it with enough incentive in a combination of economic, diplomatic, and militaristic ways, to back off. That's why this issue is still here today and I don't see how in 2017, China will be unable to do at least what it had done for so many years before. Yet, the only permanent incentive for the US to let the issue die and to stop milking this pawn must be an overwhelmingly powerful China, which is where we're headed today.

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vincent said:

Please repeat, slowly

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Jura said:

LOL

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