China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

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ougoah

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That old magnanimous attitude is not going to save China from US information warfare. The fake news and slandering is a daily thing now and sooner or later, it will have impacts in the real world. China will struggle and rise up regardless but it could and should have been done more smoothly. The US can use years old photos of mixed ethnicity Chinese prisoners caught for a pyramid scheme to successfully convince the majority of the imbecilic world that the CCP is performing ethnic cleansing of Uighurs. They can invent any lie, take any random piece of suggestible information and turn it into a weapon. Forcing their cronies to do their dirty work and kow tow to their rule is only one tool in their inventory, and just like that Muslims can be turned slowly against China and Huawei 5G isn't allowed to be purchased. China can't do anything to retaliate in the same way.
 

SimaQian

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That old magnanimous attitude is not going to save China from US information warfare. The fake news and slandering is a daily thing now and sooner or later, it will have impacts in the real world. China will struggle and rise up regardless but it could and should have been done more smoothly.

This is certainly very true. But to counter this, it needs a lot of resources. This needs to have control of mainstream media, social media and even in movies. It is impossible to control all of them or even half of them. The least effort the Chinese government can do is to control this information warfare at home because it is very doable. This is probably why the Chinese government is investing in information control like limited internet, censorship etc for internal control. It is more dangerous if false narratives hit at home.

If huge amount of resources are spent to counter this, it may not be very productive at all. There is little tangible returns.
Much better spend resources to improve something at home or invest into something undefended or lightly defended by enemy.
So instead of confronting where the enemy is strong at, one should find where is the weakness of the enemy.
 

ougoah

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This is certainly very true. But to counter this, it needs a lot of resources. This needs to have control of mainstream media, social media and even in movies. It is impossible to control all of them or even half of them. The least effort the Chinese government can do is to control this information warfare at home because it is very doable. This is probably why the Chinese government is investing in information control like limited internet, censorship etc for internal control. It is more dangerous if false narratives hit at home.

If huge amount of resources are spent to counter this, it may not be very productive at all. There is little tangible returns.
Much better spend resources to improve something at home or invest into something undefended or lightly defended by enemy.
So instead of confronting where the enemy is strong at, one should find where is the weakness of the enemy.

So far China's done very little to the enemy. I wouldn't count trying to trade using RMB with third parties as doing much. I'm not familiar with anything else China's really doing to directly work against the US/UK empire.
 

Canton_pop

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So far China's done very little to the enemy. I wouldn't count trying to trade using RMB with third parties as doing much. I'm not familiar with anything else China's really doing to directly work against the US/UK empire.


The way to hit US hard is for China and majority country to buy USD and stop finance its debt and you can instantly see the empire crumbling down, US is build on hallow ground with massive QE just like pyramid scheme- as long as people keep buying the pyramid will not fall stop buying USA will go back to flintstone age.
 

Biscuits

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You can't control other governments' state owned propaganda, you can only limit their activities on your own territory.

From the perspective of North Koreans, the West must have the most shit soft power ever existed. And if USA being the 2nd largest economy can't even affect tiny NK, how can China affect USA when the economy gap is much smaller in comparison?

Propaganda is countered by hard truths, a government cannot be allowed to wield too much propaganda to build up an alternate reality, because then, when something happens in real life, they will be unable to react appropriately. America plays a risky propaganda game that has given them fanatic domestic support at the risk of blindness and ignorance to the world around them. This can cost them opportunities, or in the worst case, lives.
 

localizer

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China’s soft power now consists of food and panda videos


The pandas are quite effective though, enough to make Falungong and Hongkong terrorists shit on panda videos.
 
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gadgetcool5

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According to the NY Times, China's consul general was caught giving documentation with fake birth dates to Air China at Houston's airport. Not sure what this is about. Houston is the center of a large Medical Center where they may be doing research on coronavirus (?)

Either way these amateurish attempts to skirt rules and regulations have got to stop. The other day there was a Chinese student who actually emailed the Chinese Embassy saying she was a PLA operative. As if that communication is not going to be intercepted. Then tried to delete it from her hard drive but forgot even fully deleted files can be recovered.

The real victims of all these are going to be ordinary Chinese people and others in the Southeast who need normal consular services like passports and bureaucratic paperwork, the Chinese American community, and friends of China in the US South region. I have always been clear. China's policy should be (a) gradually move towards deescalation and improve relations with countries overseas that are willing (b) understand foreign countries (c) grow the size of the Chinese population at home & the overseas population abroad.

The latter is very important as they can help China's exchanges, technological, and business development. Currently the situation is not good for overseas Chinese and not good overall towards these goals and heading in the wrong direction. It will be difficult for a long time.
 

BMEWS

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According to the NY Times, China's consul general was caught giving documentation with a fake birth date to Air China at Houston's airport. Not sure what this is about. Houston is the center of a large Medical Center where they may be doing research on coronavirus (?)

Either way these amateurish attempts to skirt rules and regulations have got to stop. The other day there was a Chinese student who actually emailed the Chinese Embassy saying she was a PLA operative. As if that communication is not going to be intercepted. Then tried to delete it from her hard drive but forgot even fully deleted files can be recovered.

The real victims of all these are going to be ordinary Chinese people and others in the Southeast who need normal consular services like passports and bureaucratic paperwork, the Chinese American community, and friends of China in the US South region. I have always been clear. China's policy should be (a) gradually move towards deescalation and improve relations with countries overseas that are willing (b) understand foreign countries (c) grow the size of the Chinese population at home & the overseas population abroad.

The latter is very important as they can help China's exchanges, technological, and business development. Currently the situation is not good for overseas Chinese and not good overall towards these goals and heading in the wrong direction. It will be difficult for a long time.

The Houston embassy uses a gmail email address... so does a lot of other Chinese embassies in US... This is either 11D Weiqi or just pure naive amateur... I think it is the latter...

The Chinese student should have been using TrueCrypt or VeraCrypt on a Full Disk encryption setup.... and email is not secure, she should at least be using PGP but I don't think the Chinese embassy uses PGP or anything of that sort.
 
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