Let's look at the latest Asia data.
Yes, the US has more favourable ratings than China in Asia.
But Asians also agree that China is more influential than the USA.
It's the difference between *being liked* and *being respected or feared*.
China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?
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Let's look at the latest Asia data.
Yes, the US has more favourable ratings than China in Asia.
But Asians also agree that China is more influential than the USA.
It's the difference between *being liked* and *being respected or feared*.
You are aggressively trying to prove two contrary points in your posts, which I think it's pretty absurd, you should move away a step away from your patriotism.
I bet you couldn't even state what my points were. That's also the reason I'm not taking you very serious
manqiangrexue
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Which would be?
You should move a step away from your selective illiteracy.
Your "points" are all over the place, addressed each time in my point-to-point rebuttals nonetheless, always wrong, and therefore form no coherent argument. Let's see what some of them were:
China needs to form a Chinese way for the world to follow. Rebuttle: That would be copying America's interventionist model while China affords countries the freedom to develop themselves.
China's reputation was damaged from its handling of HK and ROC. Rebuttle: 70+ nations support China's new law in HK and 20+ are opposed. American police brutality is far worse so that shows China being too liberal compared to a "democracy". There is no handling of the ROC yet.
China should have followed ROC and HK as they progressed faster initially. Rebuttle: China can only be a superpower if it rises of its own accord. It is also too big to be lifted as the smaller territories can be. Furthermore, to follow the Western model can result in Indian style failure and even in instances of success, one can always expect sabotage like the US did to Japan.
America has higher approval than China. Rebuttal: 1 chart shows the younger generation over the world taking greater liking to China. Another study shows China exceeded the US in global approval rating in a poll of 134 countries.
Chinese who protest in the West are hypocrites. Rebuttal: Nope, just following the laws of the land. The US accusing China of human rights violations while America is the biggest police brutality state is hypocritical.
Those are just off the top of my head. Any more? Stopped counting...
That's a good way to slink out of your failures to rebut any of my points. I'm sure nobody sees through that
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manqiangrexue
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Doesn't mean anything though. Soft power = West/USA treat you like a play thing and has a leash on you like Japan. Lack of soft power = West/USA see you as a powerful rival, like China and Russia. There's no way around it; you can't be set to whoop people's asses and out-compete them at every metric and still be upset that these people don't like you. You want soft power, get on your knees like Japan. You wanna fight the uphill battle to overtake the global hegemon, then softness has nothing to do with you.
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Are we still going on about models and values?
30 years ago they were celebrating the end of history with western civilization as the human pinnacle for all time, while China was on the wrong side of history post-Tiananmen.
In the ensuing years, what happened?
To be honest, I can’t help but laugh when I think of the western elite fêting the end of history while China rose in historical fashion right under their noses. I mean that’s certainly gotta be a record narrative collapse both in speed and scale - in less than 30 short years we went from what, the first and only world empire that will last for all eternity, to a west in crisis with talks of multipolarity and Cold War.
What happened to the superiority of our hallowed western “values”? In fact, I’m more cynical about this whole discourse. The western “way” is followed because in recent history, the west has been superior at killing people and making money (related). If they lose those advantages, would people follow their way? Just look at Communism in the west. Communism has excellent values! No one follows them because they’re poor and bad at violence.
I liken back to the famous Shakespeare Anglo proverb, that the lady doth protest too much. Why are these western/Anglo “ladies” in such a panic? Is it because beneath the veneer of values, western hegemony is about other factors like money and violence, and those pillars are being threatened by rising non-Western powers?
If western values are superior, then just relax! Countries with western values will prevail, no need for the non-stop moralizing and hysterical newspaper editorials. Hit up a cabana, grab a margarita and dial up Fukuyama for the End of History 2.0!
30 years ago they were celebrating the end of history with western civilization as the human pinnacle for all time, while China was on the wrong side of history post-Tiananmen.
In the ensuing years, what happened?
To be honest, I can’t help but laugh when I think of the western elite fêting the end of history while China rose in historical fashion right under their noses. I mean that’s certainly gotta be a record narrative collapse both in speed and scale - in less than 30 short years we went from what, the first and only world empire that will last for all eternity, to a west in crisis with talks of multipolarity and Cold War.
What happened to the superiority of our hallowed western “values”? In fact, I’m more cynical about this whole discourse. The western “way” is followed because in recent history, the west has been superior at killing people and making money (related). If they lose those advantages, would people follow their way? Just look at Communism in the west. Communism has excellent values! No one follows them because they’re poor and bad at violence.
I liken back to the famous Shakespeare Anglo proverb, that the lady doth protest too much. Why are these western/Anglo “ladies” in such a panic? Is it because beneath the veneer of values, western hegemony is about other factors like money and violence, and those pillars are being threatened by rising non-Western powers?
If western values are superior, then just relax! Countries with western values will prevail, no need for the non-stop moralizing and hysterical newspaper editorials. Hit up a cabana, grab a margarita and dial up Fukuyama for the End of History 2.0!
I have noticed a HUGE Avalanche of negative commentary from Indian sources on news websites, YouTube, and social media since the Ladakh Incident... Indian Nationalists are STIRRING UP THINGS INTO OVERDRIVE... It is truly regrettable that there was a clash. Geopolitically, presently, China cannot at all afford more negative scrutiny.
From the point of view of an ordinary Chinese: the more fear and concern we have for these, the more power we are surrendering to these platforms. China can only win the end, only if we win our own mind first.
Therefore, a big "NO" to what you are saying. We don't give a shit about "your scrutiny". Bring it on!
We will carry on, we will not back down, we will not surrender.
manqiangrexue
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Sorry, what? China can't afford to have a bunch of hateful Indians talk shit about it on the internet? LOLOL Does that even sound right to you?
Another day another catastrophe, or should I say XItastrophe? The US is now looking at banning TikTok.
Seriously, at this point ByteDance should just sell off TikTok as fast as it can, so it can move its HQ to the United States. China doesn't care about it's companies.
Seriously, at this point ByteDance should just sell off TikTok as fast as it can, so it can move its HQ to the United States. China doesn't care about it's companies.
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