China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

manqiangrexue said:

Which would be?

You should move a step away from your selective illiteracy.

Your "points" are all over the place, addressed each time in my point-to-point rebuttals nonetheless, always wrong, and therefore form no coherent argument. Let's see what some of them were:

China needs to form a Chinese way for the world to follow. Rebuttle: That would be copying America's interventionist model while China affords countries the freedom to develop themselves.

China's reputation was damaged from its handling of HK and ROC. Rebuttle: 70+ nations support China's new law in HK and 20+ are opposed. American police brutality is far worse so that shows China being too liberal compared to a "democracy". There is no handling of the ROC yet.

China should have followed ROC and HK as they progressed faster initially. Rebuttle: China can only be a superpower if it rises of its own accord. It is also too big to be lifted as the smaller territories can be. Furthermore, to follow the Western model can result in Indian style failure and even in instances of success, one can always expect sabotage like the US did to Japan.

America has higher approval than China. Rebuttal: 1 chart shows the younger generation over the world taking greater liking to China. Another study shows China exceeded the US in global approval rating in a poll of 134 countries.

Chinese who protest in the West are hypocrites. Rebuttal: Nope, just following the laws of the land. The US accusing China of human rights violations while America is the biggest police brutality state is hypocritical.

Those are just off the top of my head. Any more? Stopped counting...

That's a good way to slink out of your failures to rebut any of my points. I'm sure nobody sees through that

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Sraight drinking the kool aid. I'm impressed.

gadgetcool5 said:

Another day another catastrophe, or should I say XItastrophe? The US is now looking at banning TikTok.

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Seriously, at this point ByteDance should just sell off TikTok as fast as it can, so it can move its HQ to the United States. China doesn't care about it's companies.

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The CCP cares too much about its people and its country to sell out its national ambitions for business. A catastrophe would be selling the country for an app. All Chinese companies should be ready to have no business with the US and do everything to support China in the final struggle for global power. Any hanjian companies that want to switch nationalities like your hanjian suggestion will be dead because they will lose the larger Chinese market for it. When news gets out of what they did, what Chinese person would ever patronize such a sellout company? Reprehensible moral decision, catastrophic business decision, but I bet nobody's stupid/spineless enough to actually make your kind of mistake.

Pmichael said:

Sraight drinking the kool aid.

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That's intellectually par for what I'd expect from a Westerner who's stunned that he couldn't get away with a hit-and-run on China's morality because he forgot to watch his own rear end with the US has recently become.

Pmichael said:

I'm impressed.

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That makes one of us.

gadgetcool5 said:

Another day another catastrophe, or should I say XItastrophe? The US is now looking at banning TikTok.

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Seriously, at this point ByteDance should just sell off TikTok as fast as it can, so it can move its HQ to the United States. China doesn't care about it's companies.

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China does not care about its companies? You make this conclusion on the basis of an article in which Pompeo says that the United States is looking to ban Tik Tok? China is pulling out the stops to ensure that its companies become much less depend on foreign markers amenable to the dictates and caprices of the United States not to purchase Chinese goods and is assiduously engaging in assisting Chinese high tech companies in all sectors from polyermous materials, to high end metallic alloys, through to IC chips and chip manufacturing equipment making to improve their technological quality capabilities so as to have the capability of entirely substituting any imports with domestically made goods.

If persons leading China were as easily flustered as yourself and responsive to your jitters and fears about the United States, China would be an American colony a long time ago. You would dutifully bow to American orders for China to stop engaging in industrial policy of any kind...

China and Chinese companies should be prepared for a concerted effort on the part of the United States for ANY and perhaps ALL Chinese exports and product to anywhere in the world to be targeted for sanctions of some sort...

Weaasel said:

China and Chinese companies should be prepared for a concerted effort on the part of the United States for ANY and perhaps ALL Chinese exports and product to anywhere in the world to be targeted for sanctions of some sort...

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Totally agree. They need to be prepared and increase their PR blitz.

Indian key board worriors are annoying but does not increase their country's comprehensive power. However I do agree China needs to increase its soft power and resolved disputes faster. But also hit back. I think China should hit India economically for their ban on chinese apps.

Let's be realistic. At this time China is not going to be Abel to win a PR blitz on western media. It's not possible since most are controlled by Anglo countries and the US. Best China can do is to continue opening up and make sure their technology companies improve core technologies.

MortyandRick said:

Totally agree. They need to be prepared and increase their PR blitz.

Indian key board worriors are annoying but does not increase their country's comprehensive power. However I do agree China needs to increase its soft power and resolved disputes faster. But also hit back. I think China should hit India economically for their ban on chinese apps.

Let's be realistic. At this time China is not going to be Abel to win a PR blitz on western media. It's not possible since most are controlled by Anglo countries and the US. Best China can do is to continue opening up and make sure their technology companies improve core technologies.

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With regards to the reaction by India, it was done to appease the sentiments of ardent Indian nationalists. If anyone did not know and was surprised by the extent of Indian nationalism, especially directed at China, now those who were paying some attention to Sino-Indian relations DEFINITELY know that there is much anti Chinese sentiment, even significantly among the Indian elite, though the opposition is stoking if further to score points against Modi.

I truly hope hope that both sides will exercise utmost restraint from here on end and avoid further clashes.

Wangxi said:

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I agree with this article, we need allies, instead we open multiple fronts against multiple countries

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As a rising power, China almost inevitably will experience what is currently happening to her. Inevitable! In fact, I would be totally shocked if China is not experiencing this. It's not about bad policies, but totally about human nature.

When you improve so quickly, you will make a lot of people unhappy and uncomfortable. Those, whom you pass up, will be unhappy. You begin to cut away pieces of interests that used to belong to them. what do you do? Give up your own interests to please others? You can't do that.

You begin to take charge. That makes a lot of people unhappy. Those, who used to higher up than you, are not happy that you are telling them what to do now. Those, who were similar as you, are also not happy. You guys used to be drinking buddies and drink bad liquor together and complain about those rich and evil bastards. Now you are rich but he's still poor. No one will be happy with you. Just think of a situation when one of your co-workers, whom you always have lunch with, is suddenly promoted to become your manager. I bet the entire office will be upset. I also bet that you won't have lunch with him anymore. I also bet that you will see him as this undeserving bastard who must have played some dirty tricks to get the position.

China is now at this stage. There is nothing China can do to change that. The only thing China can do now to make everyone happy is to go back to the old ways when China was poor and pathetic. Is that an option for China and the Chinese people? I don't think so. Just suck it up and bite the time until everyone gets used to the fact that China is a superpower. This is a painful and uncomfortable stage when you are everyone's target. Because you are so powerful, no one will feel sorry for you. Everyone feels that you've used all kinds of dirty tricks to get what you have and that you are undeserving of everything you have. But this is only human nature. Every individual who has risen up from below must experience this.

Weaasel said:

China does not care about its companies? You make this conclusion on the basis of an article in which Pompeo says that the United States is looking to ban Tik Tok? China is pulling out the stops to ensure that its companies become much less depend on foreign markers amenable to the dictates and caprices of the United States not to purchase Chinese goods and is assiduously engaging in assisting Chinese high tech companies in all sectors from polyermous materials, to high end metallic alloys, through to IC chips and chip manufacturing equipment making to improve their technological quality capabilities so as to have the capability of entirely substituting any imports with domestically made goods.

If persons leading China were as easily flustered as yourself and responsive to your jitters and fears about the United States, China would be an American colony a long time ago. You would dutifully bow to American orders for China to stop engaging in industrial policy of any kind...

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None of that helps if China's foreign policy gets its products banned from world markets. I fully support China's industrial policy. But they think 1 km sq. meters of land in Galwan valley is more important than a market of 1.4 billion Indians. They think the need to arrest some worthless agitators in HK is more important than stable trade with the world's largest economy & most advanced nation and its allies. No company in its right mind would want to be tied to such a suicidal government, it doesn't matter how many subsidies it gets. And no, the Chinese market (which will only shrink and get smaller in the future, as China's population will plunge in coming decades) is not more important than the world market. 80% of the world is outside China.

vesicles said:

As a rising power, China almost inevitably will experience what is currently happening to her. Inevitable! In fact, I would be totally shocked if China is not experiencing this. It's not about bad policies, but totally about human nature.

When you improve so quickly, you will make a lot of people unhappy and uncomfortable. Those, whom you pass up, will be unhappy. You begin to cut away pieces of interests that used to belong to them. what do you do? Give up your own interests to please others? You can't do that.

You begin to take charge. That makes a lot of people unhappy. Those, who used to higher up than you, are not happy that you are telling them what to do now. Those, who were similar as you, are also not happy. You guys used to be drinking buddies and drink bad liquor together and complain about those rich and evil bastards. Now you are rich but he's still poor. No one will be happy with you. Just think of a situation when one of your co-workers, whom you always have lunch with, is suddenly promoted to become your manager. I bet the entire office will be upset. I also bet that you won't have lunch with him anymore. I also bet that you will see him as this undeserving bastard who must have played some dirty tricks to get the position.

China is now at this stage. There is nothing China can do to change that. The only thing China can do now to make everyone happy is to go back to the old ways when China was poor and pathetic. Is that an option for China and the Chinese people? I don't think so. Just suck it up and bite the time until everyone gets used to the fact that China is a superpower, way out of the league of everyone else.

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Yes but in the mean time China can also fight back with PR and words in order to shut the mouths of those haters. If they already hate that's fine, let them. But don't appease to their frail feelings and will. The world's not going to end if the haters cry everything about China.