China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

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manqiangrexue

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BMEWS said:
While stuff like this isn't going to kill Huawei, it is example of US 'drawing blood' (whether or not manqiangrexue agrees with it) by directly costing Huawei money/profits it otherwise would have made, sabotaging the efforts of R&D that it already made, and slowing momentum of its future growth to be able to reinvest said profits into future R&D...
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Well, effect and counter-effect. This is what the US wanted (well, they wanted far far more damage than this; this is a small fraction of what they wanted to inflict onto Huawei) but they'd be fools to be willing to pay the price that is becoming evident, which is China's lithography and semiconductor arms leapfrogging decades of development in a few years. SMIC will have 7nm before Intel. They probably did not anticipate this price. Net effect is no blood-letting on China's end.
 
escobar

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manqiangrexue said:
Constrain how? Huawei is the world's largest 5G provider, became the largest cellphone vendor this year, and grew 13.5% in H1 right through the pandemic. Huawei should be even more dominant, BUT the price the US paid for that is that Qualcomm is no longer the largest chip vendor in China and China is well in to semiconductor independence, something that Chinese companies simply didn't put enough effort into when they thought that the US was a reliable country.

Tiktok apparently generates 98% of its revenue inside China and despite its success, its creator was always seen as too liberal and therefore did not have the support of the CCP. If he sells the international/US arm of TikTok for several billion dollars, so be it. It's his private choice. Microsoft is gonna blow it anyway just like everything else they acquire, and that's assuming that the deal goes through. The price the US pays is in its image, to the world, but more importantly, to the Chinese who are in the US... politically slumbering.

It's not that America's moves have no effect or consequence; it's that they don't yield desirable results nearly to the extent that they need to but often yield undesirable results.

Are you really stupid or what?
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Your ability to find flaws in every US action but strenght in every PRC action is really amusing.
 
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BMEWS said:
While stuff like this isn't going to kill Huawei, it is example of US 'drawing blood' (whether or not manqiangrexue agrees with it) by directly costing Huawei money/profits it otherwise would have made, sabotaging the efforts of R&D that it already made, and slowing momentum of its future growth to be able to reinvest said profits into future R&D...
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But we can see those Huawei sales mainly going to other Chinese companies like Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo and OnePlus.

And these companies are also now on the path of developing their own technologies, because they can see the US slapping on sanctions in the future.

So the overall effect is the Chinese technology and semiconductor industry advancing even faster in terms of technology independence from the USA.
 
manqiangrexue

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escobar said:
Your ability to find flaws in every US action but strenght in every PRC action is really amusing.
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Like I said, I look at the big picture of who's rising in relation to whom. I look at results rather than level of panicked activity, which you focus on. And also like I said, simple-minded people like you are also called easily-amused for good reason, as you show.
 
escobar

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AndrewS said:
US actions on Huawei and Tiktok are actually counterproductive to long-term US interests.

The Huawei episode is spurring Chinese technology independence from the USA.
Witness the ridiculous amounts of money being raised now by Chinese technology companies.

And the Tiktok episode invites every country in the world to assert sovereignty over their data, and the biggest losers in such a world are Google, Facebook and Amazon.

We already see these companies being targeted with a digital services tax in Europe.
It's only going to get worse as more and more countries target American internet companies, given the example set by Tiktok.
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Why do you assume China having technology independence mean US losing tech power?
 
localizer

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escobar said:
Why do you assume China having technology independence mean US losing tech power?
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Anti-competitive practices hurt the monopolies.

China hurts itself with anti-competitive practices.

US will hurt itself through whatever it's doing.

Intel and Boeing are both struggling due to their anti-competitive practices. No one thought Intel and Boeing can look so weak right now.
 
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