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Don't worry about China, they have real political leaders with brains and patience, while the US has.....trump.
China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?
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Don't worry about China, they have real political leaders with brains and patience, while the US has.....trump.
manqiangrexue
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That's normal; simple-minded people are also called easily-amused. You could not answer those 3 questions and you still can't because you're always full of incoherent nonsense.
Well, since you are also referring to them as desperate theatrical dance and stupid decisions, seems you want to see it too, huh?
What consequences? Chinese tech and economy closing down America's lead faster than ever? Waking up Chinese people who were complicit to work for America fooling themselves that their lives could be isolated from politics?
escobar
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Theatrical dance and stupid decisions from US managed to constrain Huawei and told Tiktok to be sold to Msft.
Are you really blind or what?
manqiangrexue
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Constrain how? Huawei is the world's largest 5G provider, became the largest cellphone vendor this year, and grew 13.5% in H1 right through the pandemic. Huawei should be even more dominant, BUT the price the US paid for that is that Qualcomm is no longer the largest chip vendor in China and China is well in to semiconductor independence, something that Chinese companies simply didn't put enough effort into when they thought that the US was a reliable country.
Tiktok apparently generates 98% of its revenue inside China and despite its success, its creator was always seen as too liberal and therefore did not have the support of the CCP. If he sells the international/US arm of TikTok for several billion dollars, so be it. It's his private choice. Microsoft is gonna blow it anyway just like everything else they acquire, and that's assuming that the deal goes through. The price the US pays is in its image, to the world, but more importantly, to the Chinese who are in the US... politically slumbering.
It's not that America's moves have no effect or consequence; it's that they don't yield desirable results nearly to the extent that they need to but often yield undesirable results.
Are you really stupid or what?
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Trump admitted/bragged to having successfully 'turned' and overruled UK, Italy, Australia on the Huawei and many other issues, so be that soft power, hard power, sanctions power, direct threat of military power, undoubtedly US has been able to make some significant ill-gotten gains by other than 'free market' plays... and now with the forcing of TikTok to sell, and the upcoming ban of WeChat and possible DJI and all other Chinese app, hardware as outlined by Pompeo... it does seem in this arm-wrestling match the US has started to turn the tide... when the EU was all in on Huawei many on this forum used it as to say "see, EU still going with Huawei", but its only fair that now they really aren't, then the same logic applies the other way around, to be consistent..
On one hand its expected that the US wouldn't just stand by and watch itself being surpassed. Perhaps the US has gone much more fervent than China anticipated but that is Beijings miscalculation. I was never that naive. I still think US will go for Final Solution.. and if China doesn't even mate the nukes to its warheads that is China's loss...
On the other hand there is a point where it starts impacting China's long term strategic ascension.... have we crossed that point? The real question is at what point is China going to counter and defend itself and not let the US keep drawing blood and getting a taste and coming back for more and more and more until there is nothing left.
America will do everything in its power to make sure China never surpass it... so what is China's play here? Lets face it, "easy" mode is over...
manqiangrexue
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We just had a discussion on UK's Huawei reversal yesterday:
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I'll start with the most prominent one in mind, the Sputnik moment in which it appeared USSR was winning the space race handsomely in terms of being decades ahead of the USA. Yet it all reversed by the end of the decade with USA successfully landing man on moon and USSR canning its own moon...
www.sinodefenceforum.com
The US has never turned the tide against China because every day, China continues to gain on the US in all areas. Even if isolated events look one way, they are more than balanced somewhere else. America's attack on Huawei is a spur to Chinese innovation that no Chinese premier has ever achieved for the same reason that a boy's own parents gently prodding him to work harder will never create as much drive in him as when he gets thrashed by his competitors outside.
No, I don't expect the US to just watch as they are surpassed; as I said before, to beat a hegemon, you have to beat him once fairly, then again with all his nasty underhanded tricks, and hopefully, not the third time in a world war.
It would be a different story if America was really drawing blood and reversing the trend of China overtaking it but since that trend has only hastened since Trump's flailing, China can continue the strategy of being alert and on the defensive while outgrowing the old lion. If that trend is reversed, then China needs to think offense to turn it back around and that would really be a big problem for China. That is much more difficult and can get much uglier as the big problem is on America's hands now.
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US actions on Huawei and Tiktok are actually counterproductive to long-term US interests.
The Huawei episode is spurring Chinese technology independence from the USA.
Witness the ridiculous amounts of money being raised now by Chinese technology companies.
And the Tiktok episode invites every country in the world to assert sovereignty over their data, and the biggest losers in such a world are Google, Facebook and Amazon.
We already see these companies being targeted with a digital services tax in Europe.
It's only going to get worse as more and more countries target American internet companies, given the example set by Tiktok.
Huawei is out of chips for Mate 40
While stuff like this isn't going to kill Huawei, it is example of US 'drawing blood' (whether or not manqiangrexue agrees with it) by directly costing Huawei money/profits it otherwise would have made, sabotaging the efforts of R&D that it already made, and slowing momentum of its future growth to be able to reinvest said profits into future R&D...
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