China ICBM/SLBM, nuclear arms thread
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Aren't these just DF-41 TEL and the silo loading vehicle with missile that we've seen in the last few days?
I'm just wondering if I'm missing something because your post makes it seem like they may be new or unseen before?
My bad on the wording, I thought both vehicle were carrying new missiles.
I mean, they may be carrying new missiles. Technically we don't know what's under the tarps.
But we've seen these two vehicles before over the last week, is what I am asking. That is to say, there's nothing "new" about them?
Their higher delta-V budget probably means they can be launched before getting assigned targets and then get the targets later. Because they can correct for that later, anyway. ABM interceptors already do this to minimise the reaction time. This was why Arrow 3's excess divert capability was marketed so much by Israel. Almost as soon as you get the warning you can launch it in that general direction. Once it gets a better information from the radars, it uses the said excess capacity to attain the correct trajectory.
If relations between countries are tense and the alert level is raised, warheads and delivery vehicles will be mated and deployed, and combat readiness duties will be implemented.
In the case of a limited number of intercontinental ballistic missile launches (fewer than five), China can wait until the warheads impact before considering retaliation. Currently, China has hundreds of silos and a large number of mobile launcher bases. For the United States to prevent Chinese retaliation, it would need to launch a comprehensive attack on all bases. This would require the U.S. to simultaneously launch an order of magnitude more delivery vehicles—dozens (involving hundreds of warheads). Naturally, China would simultaneously launch dozens to hundreds of nuclear delivery vehicles (carrying hundreds of warheads). Are you sure the United States could avoid retaliation?
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Also, do you @tamsen_ikard think Russia will just sit doing nothing ? how about North Korea ? Nuclear war between big 3 is basically the end of the world .. if it happened between India and Pakistan, it will be regional, not a huge deal for other countries
Nobody will do anything until the missiles actually hit with actual nuclear weapons exploding.
This is my understanding of the current politics of the world. People are simply not worried enough about Nuclear annihilation. Politicians are also not worrying about mass Nuclear strike destroying their country in one day. They are worried about national pride, sphere of influence, conventional capabilities and so on. Russia is getting hit massively by Ukraine. Every Taboo is being broken. Moscow is being hit, Russian nuclear forces are being hit, Missiles are being launched inside Russia, Russia itself got invaded and lost land. So, every single so called action, that could lead to nuclear retaliation has been done several time and yet Russia doesn't do anything.
The kind of strike Israel faced was even worse. They literally lost their military HQ and Spy HQ in Iranian misssile strikes. They lost huge economic and military installations. Again, no nuclear strike.
Usage of Nuclear weapon just on warning is simply politically not possible. The risks are too high and the return not big enough. Mass nuclear retaliation against another Nuclear power is basically suicide bombing. You are not going to perform seppuku just out of caution. You are going to wait until you are sure that yes, your enemy is trying to utterly destroy you, and when you are dying, then you hit back in anger taking him with you.
Your understanding is wrong, and multiple people have already corrected you, which you have ignored. Reality does not care about your misunderstanding. The reality is this:
1. The US does not operate any conventional ICBMs.
2. ICBM trajectories are distinct from shorter-ranged missiles.
3. Therefore if you see ICBMs launched, then you are already sure they are nuclear.
4. Since you are already sure, you retaliate in kind.
Neither Russia nor Israel nor anyone else has ever faced this kind of scenario in reality. As difficult as it may be to accept, there are in fact very good reasons to build silos, and the government—as well as everyone else here—does in fact know better than you.