China ICBM/SLBM, nuclear arms thread

Hyper

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I followed the post and all its pictures. I got the feeling of this launch looks more like a boost-glider than a ballistic ICBM because the 3rd stage separated less than 850km from launch point giving the unpowered flight of 11000km, that doesn't look ballistic.

I won't be surprised that PLAF used the word ICBM though since it is still a ICXM considering PLA is more lowkey than other militaries. Boost-glider can also better explain why they have to do a full range flight test because it is the only way to test a glider.
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taxiya

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Depressed trajectory has been confirmed. It's an icbm not boost glide. Depressed trajectory allows to test the full capability of the missile instead of just individual subsystems
So long as it is a ballistic trajectory, depressed or not, the 3rd stage should fall to a point much closer to the target point than what is seen in this test.

If I understand right, at separation in a ballistic trajectory, the 3rd stage and the warhead would have the same velocity, therotically it will land on the same spot as the warhead. It does not because separation act will actually push it back/away from warhead causing it to slow down therefor falls short but it should still have enough velocity to continue free flight over half of the range of the warhead.
 

taxiya

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DF-27 was not a full range test.
I believe that you are responding to this sentence of mine "Boost-glider can also better explain why they have to do a full range flight test because it is the only way to test a glider."

Yes full range is a bad wording, the better expression is that a glider needs a much longer range than its ballistic counterpart (equal size of booster) to verify its gliding characteristics.
 

escobar

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I was discussing with @escobar last night about whether it is indeed an ICBM.

Now it turns out to be an ICBM test into the south Pacific, a resumption of full range demonstrative strike after 44 years.

The flight takes 11,800km, I would say it is DF-41 or something else.

The yellow circle is drop zone of warhead by DF-5 in 1980, now far exceeded by the DF-41.
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taxiya

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So it is a ICBM launch test party for cn us and ru?
They should informed each others right
Nothing to do with US or Russia.

Yes, they were informed. On the last paragraph of the announcement, “中方提前向有关国家作了通报”—China informed relevant countries in advance.

After all, No one wants an accidental nuclear war.
relevant countries are Philippines and France because of the drop zones of stages are near Philippines and target zone near French adminstrated islands.

BBC reported complains from Australia, New Zealand and Japan. It buffles me what are they complaining about, not that I care to know.
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coolgod

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Nothing to do with US or Russia.


relevant countries are Philippines and France because of the drop zones of stages are near Philippines and target zone near French adminstrated islands.

BBC reported complains from Australia, New Zealand and Japan. It buffles me what are they complaining about, not that I care to know.
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Probably still good to give a heads up to US and Russia.

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Temstar

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Nothing to do with US or Russia.


relevant countries are Philippines and France because of the drop zones of stages are near Philippines and target zone near French adminstrated islands.

BBC reported complains from Australia, New Zealand and Japan. It buffles me what are they complaining about, not that I care to know.
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Informing other members of P5 makes sense as they have ICBMs/SLBMs and thermonuclear warhead and you don't want them to make any mistakes. Informing countries where boosters are splashing down nearby also makes sense. For anyone else it's quite optional. I don't get why Japan jumps up and down so much whenever North Korean and Chinese ICBMs fly near them - these weapons are clearly not aimed at Japan as shorter range ballistic missiles are quite sufficient for targets in Japan.

Depressed trajectory has been confirmed. It's an icbm not boost glide. Depressed trajectory allows to test the full capability of the missile instead of just individual subsystems
Question about the "depressed trajectory" part, does that mean more depressed than the trajectory for maximum range? Could you fire the same ICBM that was tested at a higher trajectory to get even more range than the 12,000km or so from this test? Or does the depressed trajectory here in this context meaning depressed compared to the more common straight up and straight down trajectory used to reduce the test range?
 
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Blitzo

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Question about the "depressed trajectory" part, does that mean more depressed than the trajectory for maximum range? Could you fire the same ICBM that was tested at a higher trajectory to get even more range than the 12,000km or so from this test? Or does the depressed trajectory here in this context meaning depressed compared to the more common straight up and straight down trajectory used to reduce the test range?

I interpret it to mean the latter.

There is nothing in the way this missile test occurred that makes it seem particularly unique relative to ICBM/SLBM tests done by other nations which are not China or North Korea.


Which is to say, I wouldn't call this a "depressed trajectory" but rather a "normal trajectory".
Meanwhile most PRC and DPRK ICBM tests are "lofted" for the reason you described (high apogee, reduce distance/range crossed by missile itself, which means the full test can occur in your periphery or in your own territory).
 
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