China ICBM/SLBM, nuclear arms thread

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I would say it can be anything, because it is almost certain launched from Wenchang Launch Center.

It not only has something to demonstrate PLARF's capability after huge reshuffle on the leadership and but also related to the silo lid problem & allegedly rocket filled with water drama.

Anyway I think it is a good news that China should start conducting regular routine launch into the South Pacific, especially after Liaowang-1 enters service.
Don't be silly, why would the strategic branch take stock or even read some online cope from American nationalists? It's like thinking when US grounds F-35 fleets it's because they're trying to prove China put explosive parts in them...

Usually the reason for long range tests is to understand more about the weapon's flight trajectory. As the foremost technological, industrial power and now required to build up a military to match that status, it is within normal activity bounds to test more weapons than any other country.
 

iantsai

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What we know so far:

The launch is from Hainan Island, which was witnessed by many people from Hainan. So it is not a fixed silo launching, but one from a TEL vehicle. It is most likely a DF-31AG or some newer variant, not a DF-41 or a DF-5, both of which are deployed in fixed launch silos.
 

Blitzo

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What we know so far:

The launch is from Hainan Island, which was witnessed by many people from Hainan. So it is not a fixed silo launching, but one from a TEL vehicle. It is most likely a DF-31AG or some newer variant, not a DF-41 or a DF-5, both of which are deployed in fixed launch silos.

DF-41 is deployed from a TEL.


That said, if the launch happened at Hainan, it doesn't necessarily have to be a missile that is usually launched from a TEL, because there is no reason to think that this launch utilized a "standard in service launch apparatus". It is possible for example, that they utilized a dedicated launch apparatus, so even if it was a TEL launched missile it's possible they didn't transport a whole entire TEL to Hainan but rather just transported the canister+missile round.

All of which is to say, if the missile launch occurred at Hainan in theory it could be any missile because there's no reason to think they would have utilized a missile's standard launch apparatus.
That said, I do think the idea of test launching a DF-5 from Hainan would be odd as the sheer size and footprint of transporting a DF-5 to Hainan seems extravagant. I personally feel like a solid fuel missile seems more likely -- whether it's an existing in service DF-31A/AG or a DF-41 (with TEL or with only the canister), or a new solid fuel ICBM like the rumoured DF-45, who knows.
 

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For record's purpose, The NOTAM info:
A3054/24 NOTAMN
Q) ZGZU/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/1952N11145E018
A) ZGZU B) 2409250020 C) 2409250230
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N200247E1113156-N200222E1120118-N194011E1120042-N194142E1113027,BAC
K TO START.
VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL

B3891/24 NOTAMN
Q) RPHI/QRAXX/IV/BO /W /000/999/1910N11858E056
A) RPHI B) 2409250020 C) 2409250230
E) SPECIAL OPS (AEROSPACE FLT ACT) WILL BE CONDUCTED BY CHINA.
EST FALL AREA FOR UNBURNED DEBRIS WI:
194557N 1181516E -
193624N 1194822E -
183240N 1194123E -
184346N 1180818E -
194557N 1181516E.
F) SFC G) UNL

B3892/24 NOTAMN
Q) RPHI/QRAXX/IV/BO /W /000/999/1839N12508E039
A) RPHI B) 2409250020 C) 2409250230
E) SPECIAL OPS (AEROSPACE FLT ACT) WILL BE CONDUCTED BY CHINA.
EST FALL AREA FOR UNBURNED DEBRIS WI:
190615N 1244043E -
185702N 1254209E -
181116N 1253547E -
182121N 1243417E -
190615N 1244043E.
F) SFC G) UNL

A1190/24 NOTAMN
Q) NTTT/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/1023S14630W075
A) NTTT
B) 2409250020 C) 2409250230
E) TEMPORARY DANGEROUS AREA DUE TO AEROSPACE FLIGHT IN TAHITI FIR
WITHIN AN AREA BOUNDED BY FOLLOWING POINTS :
0937S 14714W - 1018S 14531W - 1108S 14544W - 1027S 14729W -
0937S 14714W
AIRSPACE USERS ARE ADVISED OF THE PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS NATURE
OF THE ACTIVITY AND ARE STRONGLY INVITED TO AVOID THE AREA
DURING THE ACTIVITY TIME SLOT.
OPERATORS ARE INVITED TO FILE THEIR FLIGHT PLAN WITH A TRAJECTORY
THAT ENSURES THAT THE AREA IS CIRCUMNAVIGATED
F) SFC G) UNL

China notified the Philippines and France in advance as the NOTAM was issued by Manila FIR and Tahiti FIR.
What we know so far:

The launch is from Hainan Island, which was witnessed by many people from Hainan. So it is not a fixed silo launching, but one from a TEL vehicle. It is most likely a DF-31AG or some newer variant, not a DF-41 or a DF-5, both of which are deployed in fixed launch silos.
DF-41 is not silo launched missile. The missile is highly likely to be launched from or near WSLC so it can be anything, even starship.
 

taxiya

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I followed the post and all its pictures. I got the feeling of this launch looks more like a boost-glider than a ballistic ICBM because the 3rd stage separated less than 850km from launch point giving the unpowered flight of 11000km, that doesn't look ballistic.

I won't be surprised that PLAF used the word ICBM though since it is still a ICXM considering PLA is more lowkey than other militaries. Boost-glider can also better explain why they have to do a full range flight test because it is the only way to test a glider.
20240925 icbm launch.jpg
 
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Hyper

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I followed the post and all its pictures. I got the feeling of this launch looks more like a boost-glider than a ballistic ICBM because the 3rd stage separated less than 850km from launch point giving the unpowered flight of 11000km, that doesn't look ballistic.

I won't be surprised that PLAF used the word ICBM though since it is still a ICXM considering PLA is more lowkey than other militaries. Boost-glider can also better explain why they have to do a full range flight test because it is the only way to test a glider.
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Depressed trajectory has been confirmed. It's an icbm not boost glide. Depressed trajectory allows to test the full capability of the missile instead of just individual subsystems
 
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