China ICBM/SLBM, nuclear arms thread

Kalec

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If it is going Kashmir then the ABM system should near India?
I mean if it is an ABM test, the interceptor usually is launched from Korla so yeah it could be used against India or perhaps only effective against India.

But if it is an IRBM/ICBM test, (which is unlikely, because China seldom tested missile near the border) it could an hypersonic warhead re-entry test as the no fly zone is really huge over the terminal stage of the missile.
 

Kalec

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According to @Kalec, the lid story is very likely to be real but in a completely different perspective...
I mean I have been hearing the rumor regarding the silo lid misfunction for a well, probably for half a year. Lol US intelligence is so fast that they published the story months later than my rumor mill.

They allegedly design the solid silo with a layer of protection over it in bid to absorb the incoming attack but somehow the lid can't be properly opened since then. And they failed a consequent test last year to open the silo lid, so that's it. IMO they still have like 2 years to fix this up before the real ICBM is coming into the silo, not a very big deal.

The water rocket part is funnier, I wish they actually did it. I am not in favor of liquid ICBM anyway and at least water rocket won't blow oneself away like hypergolic rockets. Seriously it seems to be a complete BS, China has 5 DF-5 brigades, 2.5 of them are not having active deployment at all at this moment, and the other 2.5 are so old that their ICBM is symbolic anyway, namely 661/633/631 BGD. Their fuel tanks are probably empty for most of their times because DF-5A/B are NOT designed to be have storable fuel.

Tbh I would have been lying if I said it was all right for Chinese rocket industry/PLARF in 2023. Every leaderships of Chinese rocket industry were ousted in 2023 but it won't change the whole picture anyway, mostly delayed for several months or even one year. Ship industry gets their leadership ousted over and over again and I don't see Type 055 construction slowing down then what's the problem.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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The water rocket part is funnier, I wish they actually did it. I am not in favor of liquid ICBM anyway and at least water rocket won't blow oneself away like hypergolic rockets. Seriously it seems to be a complete BS, China has 5 DF-5 brigades, 2.5 of them are not having active deployment at all at this moment, and the other 2.5 are so old that their ICBM is symbolic anyway, namely 661/633/631 BGD. Their fuel tanks are probably empty for most of their times because DF-5A/B are NOT designed to be have storable fuel.
In that case, shouldn't the PLARF begins retiring the DF-5 series (or pretty much all liquid-fueled ICBMs) already - In favor for pursuing an all-soild fuel ICBM fleet centered around DF-31AG and DF-41?
 
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sequ

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China has 5 DF-5 brigades, 2.5 of them are not having active deployment at all at this moment, and the other 2.5 are so old that their ICBM is symbolic anyway, namely 661/633/631 BGD. Their fuel tanks are probably empty for most of their times because DF-5A/B are NOT designed to be have storable fuel.
But doesn't it being symbolic and not that important anymore make them more susceptible to fraud?
 

Kalec

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In that case, shouldn't the PLARF begins retiring the DF-5 series (or pretty much all liquid-fueled ICBMs) already - In favor for pursuing an all-soild fuel ICBM fleet centered around DF-31AG and DF-41?
Dude you are reading my mind, that's exactly what I am advocating. DF-5 has no economical value, more vulnerable to the first strike. But they are still renovating these old DF-5 with a Sarmat-like ICBM, estimated to be deployed in late 2020s.

But doesn't it being symbolic and not that important anymore make them more susceptible to fraud?
Hmmm, because it is indeed not that important? Most of their claim (even if they are 100% true) are related to DF-5 (not working anyway) and silo field (still 2/3 years from FOC) and silo lid is not a big deal anyway. In the worst case, you can have the lid open for all day long and it won't change anything.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Dude you are reading my mind, that's exactly what I am advocating. DF-5 has no economical value, more vulnerable to the first strike. But they are still renovating these old DF-5 with a Sarmat-like ICBM, estimated to be deployed in late 2020s.
Sigh...

Now I do wonder whether the recent mass removals of the PLARF command personnel has to do with this.

Perhaps there were significant lobbying from the heavy-ICBM interest groups because they can stand to gain more money from building heavy ICBM & silos, which eventually resulted in the hampering of the overall strategy of ICBM deployment, and hence raising eyebrows within the PLA CMC?

But that's just one of my guesses.
 
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