China Geopolitical News Thread

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you don't need to quote me jesus because i'm not a Christian. stating how the brits had ruled the colony of HK and how they didn't want to return it to china but had no choice is not 'bone picking'.

I keep asking the question and have yet to get an answer and that is , how is the current political situation connected to the gripes on how the Brits had ruled the colony before? Let's be intellectually honest and stick to the proper discourse. What is the nexus?

 

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Lol don't get me started with 'Confucius said...'

I don't have a problem with it provided it helps to make a point.

 

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Buddha said, "Lust is emptiness, emptiness is lust." Therefore, Democracy is Communism, Communism is Democracy.

I have debated extensively with Buddhist on Buddhist forums and so I have no problem discussing different world views. Are you suggesting that Communism and Democracy shares the same world view and if not what is your point?

 

[AssassinsMace]

I keep asking the question and have yet to get an answer and that is , how is the current political situation connected to the gripes on how the Brits had ruled the colony before? Let's be intellectually honest and stick to the proper discourse. What is the nexus?

Simple. The British hypocritical cry for democracy in Hong Kong when they never gave democracy out of their 156 year rule. If they cared about Hong Kongers having democracy, why didn't they establish it when they were in control? The US even pushed the British to establish a democracy long ago and it was ignored.

 

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Simple. The British hypocritical cry for democracy in Hong Kong when they never gave democracy out of their 156 year rule. If they cared about Hong Kongers having democracy, why didn't they establish it when they were in control? The US even pushed the British to establish a democracy long ago and it was ignored.

Please quote me one credible source that the British are a party directly involved in the current political situation in HK. It is simply a pro democratic group at odds with Beijing over timing and the means towards universal suffrage. You and others keep on bringing up history which has no connection to current events.

 

[JayBird]

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Interesting how like during the handover Hong Kongers were playing drama queen begging for the world to save them from the Chinese. All it did was scare Western expatriates and money out of Hong Kong. Now they're shooting themselves in the foot again. Singapore, a more authoritarian state. The irony...

The problem is that's exactly what these "Pro-democracy" leaders goal all along. You think they care about money moving out of Hong Kong for Singapore? The main objective is to destabilize HK to make China look bad, the worse the better. The sad part is majority of the average people from Hong Kong don't care about democracy or elections one way or the other. They just wanted to make money and have a good life. It's the minority groups who are founded by foreign interests and those who got brianwashed by them that are creating the problems in Hong Kong.

Like many of you guys already mentioned, there was never democracy or free election for the Hong Kong people during the 150 years British colonial rule. The colonial Governors were always appointed directly by the British from UK. The so call democracy leaders never had any problem with it. But once Hong Kong was return to mainland China, NO Freedom NO Peace!

 

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Let me share with you this: What he says is what most Chinese believe. And of course, you are free to indulge in the idea shared by oh so many equally (as the rest of the human species) brainwashed poor bastards that we Chinese are still deprived of the right of speaking out what we really think of the state of our domestic affairs, and that we are so ignorant of what's going on in China and in the world... You would be right though if you think we can't always act on whatever we think are wrong with our government or local governments. But seriously, can you in your country? I mean, other than protesting, ranting, and mostly pretend you actually have decided who becomes your next president, what else can you actually do to corrct your government's course of actions?

I believe you wrote in good faith and is not some drive by comments and I will reciprocate by being truthful and respectful. Firstly I don't care about what others think of Chinese whether real or imaginary because we see the world not as it is but how we see it. That means stop seeing yourself as a victim and step out of the shadows of the past. On this thread and on the subject of HK, I have tried to stay on topic concerning current political events and the immediate issues associated with it. All the rest of the stuff that you mentioned was not even mentioned or discussed. The problem I see is that whenever any discussion on China crops up the historical baggage and the victim mentality immediately surfaced whether it has anything to do with the subject matter.

Btw, I am of Chinese ethnicity and my grandparents were from Guangdong province. I can speak Cantonese fluently.

 

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Please quote me one credible source that the British are a party directly involved in the current political situation in HK. It is simply a pro democratic group at odds with Beijing over timing and the means towards universal suffrage. You and others keep on bringing up history which has no connection to current events.

You mean like how people use Chinese history to charge China wants its neighbors to become vassal states again? Or how about the West using their own history of colonialism to scare Africans about China? How about now when I hear some people say China bombed Pearl Harbor? Not only are they framing the wrong country, they're bringing up history to paint China. How about people bringing up Mao? They are using history when the man is dead for what purpose? To create negative prejudice in the here and now.

Just like how you don't answer how come you didn't notice Janiz's far-fetched charged that China pays billions to the Western press to spread propaganda. The British daring to comment about what goes on in Hong Kong is interference. Just look at out of 156 years of rule over Hong Kong, they establish a pseudo democracy in the last six years only after they realized they weren't going to negotiate an extension on the treaty. None of that time before the British ever thought Hong Kongers deserved democracy. Where's the proof? They never established democracy. That's called a poison pill to only give the version of democracy, that China allows to continue, the British established in the last six years of their rule knowing they were on the way out.

Yeah... no outsider is interfering...

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[SamuraiBlue]

Please quote me one credible source that the British are a party directly involved in the current political situation in HK. It is simply a pro democratic group at odds with Beijing over timing and the means towards universal suffrage. You and others keep on bringing up history which has no connection to current events.

Although there are no proof that the British are directly involved but the British parliament are certainly vocal about it.

British parliament rejects Chinese call to halt Hong Kong democracy probe

(Reuters) - Britain's parliament has rejected Chinese calls to scrap an inquiry into Hong Kong's progress towards democracy, a senior lawmaker said, warning that reforms there may violate a 1984 deal on the former British colony's sovereignty.

Britain handed Hong Kong back to China in 1997 under an agreement which said it could keep its wide-ranging freedoms and autonomy. But pro-democracy activists say a Chinese decision to tightly curb nominations for a 2017 leadership vote means Hong Kong risks ending up with a "fake" democracy.

With tensions rising in the special administrative region, Britain's parliament launched an inquiry in July, prompting the Chinese ambassador to Britain and the National People's Congress Foreign Affairs committee to robustly demand it be shelved. ... to read more

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Also anyone playing stocks should avoid anything to do with gambling. I suspect China will start to give Macau a slow death since they're starting to follow Hong Kong. More and more it seems likely Beijing will open Hainan Island to gambling turning Macau back to the dregs of humanity.

That'd be sad for family vacationers on Hainan island. They should keep Hainan a family friendly destination and keep Macau for gamblers. Perhaps with the bigger PLAN base on Hainan they need more shore leave attractions which are most effectively developed and sustained by having gamblers visit them as well.

Although there are no proof that the British are directly involved but the British parliament are certainly vocal about it.

Maybe they should spend more time and energy minding Britain rather than other places.