China Flanker thread

[tphuang]

The Russians are worried that China won't buy any Su-35s after seeing the J-11B's? Does that mean they have seen or see J-11Bs with domestic TVC engines soon?

probably not, but that's why the Russians don't want to just supply 117S to China. It's either su-35 or nothing.

 

[crobato]

Final proof (after a long time) for what I have been saying for years now, and what a number of articles have suggested, that the J-11s are R-77 capable. From Hui Tong's CMA site and cnr.cn.

 

[challenge]

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brief history of development of tactical data link in China.

 

[zhouj]

Final proof (after a long time) for what I have been saying for years now, and what a number of articles have suggested, that the J-11s are R-77 capable. From Hui Tong's CMA site and cnr.cn.

Is there any real reason to use the R-77 over the PL-12? I'm curious because from practice, the PLAAF seem to rather use more indigenous hardware and given that the PL-12 has supposedly superior range than the R-77, why is the ability to use R-77 significant?

I know that the two missiles use the same datalink but it would seem to be obvious that the J-11 would be able to fit the PL-12. (Why bother developing a top-end missile if your top-end aircraft can't carry it?)

 

[zyun8288]

Because in real life, things are more complicated. The early versions of J11 are either 100% or mostly Russian stuff. When you take into account of all the factors (life remained, cost etc...), latest is not always the best fit.

 

[crobato]

Is there any real reason to use the R-77 over the PL-12? I'm curious because from practice, the PLAAF seem to rather use more indigenous hardware and given that the PL-12 has supposedly superior range than the R-77, why is the ability to use R-77 significant?

I know that the two missiles use the same datalink but it would seem to be obvious that the J-11 would be able to fit the PL-12. (Why bother developing a top-end missile if your top-end aircraft can't carry it?)

The J-11s would already have this capability for quite some time long before there was J-11B and PL-12. I have been trying to point this for quite some time now (for years even) in the AFM, ACIG and CDF forums. There are articles that pertain or align to that capability but without actual picture proof---which seemed very hard to get---its hard to convince anyone.

As a matter of fact, this capability should have appeared with the PLAAF as early as 2001.

Knowing this, adding 105 plus J-11s along with 28 Su-27UBKs with ARH capability, significantly increases the combat potential of the PLAAF vs. regional airforces, in addition to the near 100 Su-30MKK with R-77s, 100 plus J-10s with PL-12 and over 120 plus J-8F with PL-12.

 

[simonov]

Its mean include The Su-27 Sk the receive in 90's they have around 300 Flankers. How about J-11B? How many J-11B in the field now? thx

 

[challenge]

Because in real life, things are more complicated. The early versions of J11 are either 100% or mostly Russian stuff. When you take into account of all the factors (life remained, cost etc...), latest is not always the best fit.

the original J-11 or SU-27SK radar and avionics are basically late 60's technology,being label as "F-16 on steroid".although russia willing to offer more advance version, but PLAAF surprisingly opt for older SU-27SK.

 

[simonov]

why PLAAF more choose the obsolete radar? Are now they modified all radar their flanker fleet?

 

[crobato]

Its mean include The Su-27 Sk the receive in 90's they have around 300 Flankers. How about J-11B? How many J-11B in the field now? thx

We don't really know that. But when the time comes, we can expect it will be a regiment size for start --- 24 to 32 aircraft.