China Flanker thread

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trahttp://www.wforum.com/wmf/posts/1115703827.html

tracking range capability of wertern airborne radar.
while the topic has nothing to do with Chinese forum, nevertheless it give you the idea the capaility of western radar.
P<S> detection range for russian IRBIS PESA radar is 400KM.

 

[crobato]

I always take detection range claims with a grain of salt. If you want to know, one claim for the KJ-2000's detection range is 650km against an RCS the size of a basketball.

 

[Subetei]

Just so I can get it clear in my mind, Chinese Flankers can be categorised as follows:

Single Seat Air Superiority
Su27 (Imported) J-11 (Domestic production) Production stopped
Su-33 (Will discuss in separate thread)

Single Seat Multi Role
J-11B (Domestic) Analogous to Su-27SMK
Production ongoing with WS-10 engine
Dual Seat (Tandem) Multi Role
Su-30MKK (Imported) J-11BS (Domestic) Production ongoing with WS-10 engine

Correct?

 

[crobato]

I think Su-30MKK/MK2 will remain as the main strike fighter and stand off platform for a while. The J-11BS would be the UBK analog to the J-11B. In other words, a trainer. The J-11B/BS can carry PGMs, but it would like the J-10, LGBs and LS-6 glide bombs, not long range stand off missiles or antiship missiles like the Su-30MK2/Kh-31A. That will be more of the JH-7A's department.

So the MKK and the J-11B/BS has some overlap, but not in the stand off missiles part (Kh-59ME, Kh-31A/P). The Chinese equivalents for the latter (KD-88 and YJ-91) appear only on the JH-7A for now.

 

[Subetei]

Thanks.

So the success of the JH-7A suggests no rush for China to develop a tandem (side-by-side) Flanker with stand of capabilities for the Air Force. Perhaps a longer term goal, if at all? Unless the requirement comes from the Navy?

 

[crobato]

I get the impression that the PLAAF and PLANAF are satisfied on the JH-7A now, and there is no rush to develop a side by side version of the Flanker ala Su-34. The PLANAF though I suspect may procure the Su-33UBK (side by side) for training purposes, but not in the strike role. I think the JH-7A may still evolve a bit further, like having more powerful engines.

 

[tphuang]

yeah, I agree with Chris. It seems like there are more pressing concerns right now than developing something like su-34. SAC has a lot of work on their hand with the naval fighter, 5th generation fighter + anti-air UCAV.

 

[tphuang]

some rumours on J-11B

现在航空工业都在庆祝出头之日，几个月前，毛子监工前来我们沈飞送一些原料和配件，也怪咱们没有看好，他们竟然看到了咱们歼11b的部分生产线，然后他们是勃然大怒，大叫：“奶奶的，竟然把俺们飞机改成这样？还有没有天理，还让不让我们以后新su35出口啊？？？”然后哭天抢地的回家了…………
这些毛子回家后可不要紧，不知进了什么谗言，惹得大毛子和毛子头们雷霆大发，把原来能够卖给咱们的原料、配件直到al31系列发动机统统停止出售，要给咱们断粮！但是殊不知我们航空工业等的就是这一天，原来由于进口回扣作怪，某些腐败官员指定咱们航空工业生产厂只能从毛子或者其他洋鬼子那里购买原料或者零部件，现在人家不让买了，咱们航空工业终于能出一口气，把专门给国内主机厂配套的国内原料和零部件厂都召集起来，告诉他们：“兄弟们，可以出头了！不用仅仅小批生产或者出口美国波音麦道让人家用了，自己飞机终于可以用了！！！”
刚开始说钛合金没着落，有官僚（不知出于什么原因，回扣？）还竟然指定宝钢作为专门供应商——放着专门冶炼钛的厂子不用！可惜宝钢的材料不合格，于是就用我们西部某单位得了，好用得很，沈飞工厂的工人称赞国产钛合金比原来进口的只好不差！特种钢材刚开始又莫名其妙指定本钢生产，又是不合格，于是又到西部三线单位找到了比原来进口的只好不差的特种钢，呵呵，至于航电，早就不用毛子得了，发动机现在也有太行可用——所以，毛子断粮之后不久，咱们自己就解决了所有一系列问题，真是效率很高啊！
现在这个世道，咱们要想大发展，还非要人家卡脖子或者断粮，不给压力，不把我们逼到墙角，某些人的思想和行动都是不能转变过来的！所以，我们爱国者必须拥护立足自力更生的胡总书记，拥护他的国防政策，只有他的政策才能让国防和经济协调发展！

basically saying that the Russians visiting SAC saw part of J-11B's production line while delivering some components a few months back. Got worried that they won't be able to export any Su-35 to China, so went home and got their bosses to stop exporting these individual components/parts. But the thing is that the local manufacturers have been waiting for this moment, because people involved with the exports make too much kick backs from the transactions to stop the import. So, now they are forced to accept the local stuff and the parts are working pretty well.

 

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I think Su-30MKK/MK2 will remain as the main strike fighter and stand off platform for a while. The J-11BS would be the UBK analog to the J-11B. In other words, a trainer. The J-11B/BS can carry PGMs, but it would like the J-10, LGBs and LS-6 glide bombs, not long range stand off missiles or antiship missiles like the Su-30MK2/Kh-31A. That will be more of the JH-7A's department.

So the MKK and the J-11B/BS has some overlap, but not in the stand off missiles part (Kh-59ME, Kh-31A/P). The Chinese equivalents for the latter (KD-88 and YJ-91) appear only on the JH-7A for now.

J-11B more or less compatible to SU-27SKM,like J-11B,su-27SKM can fire guide weapon,reduction of RCS,multi function display,improve radar and avionic.
it is not known if SU-27SKM like SU-30MKK carry radar cancellation system. radar cancellation technique is highly classified ECM, aside from Russia,french rafale and USAF B-1 and B-2 also carry radar cancellation design to defeat low frequency band antenna,according to the report the RF is very similiar SAR radar band.

 

[AssassinsMace]

The Russians are worried that China won't buy any Su-35s after seeing the J-11B's? Does that mean they have seen or see J-11Bs with domestic TVC engines soon?