China Flanker Thread II

[Blitzo]

i understand that, my question was more like, why they don't replace with new radome when they change to AESA...

They're upgrading an existing aircraft, where things like the air data probe location and relevant telemetry and wiring would already be in place.
If they're upgrading an existing aircraft with a new radar, why do extra work to change something that won't have much effect?


Out of interest, why do you think they would even need to replace the new radome with one that moves or removes the pitot tube on the nosetip -- what utility or role or benefit would such a change bring?



That isn't unique btw, for example, when F-16As are upgraded to F-16Vs which includes an AESA, they retain their nose probe pitot tubes.

 

[stannislas]

They're upgrading an existing aircraft, where things like the air data probe location and relevant telemetry and wiring would already be in place.
If they're upgrading an existing aircraft with a new radar, why do extra work to change something that won't have much effect?


Out of interest, why do you think they would even need to replace the new radome with one that moves or removes the pitot tube on the nosetip -- what utility or role or benefit would such a change bring?



That isn't unique btw, for example, when F-16As are upgraded to F-16Vs which includes an AESA, they retain their nose probe pitot tubes.

fair enough, I thought they are going to simply use the J-16 avionics system for the upgrade, radar and etc. thus the radome will be changed as well

 

[Albatross]

Can anyone ID the pod carried by this J-11BG?

Is this SEAD configuration? If not, why do they need to carry ECM pod? I thought the upgrade included a new EW suite like the J-16

 

[Blitzo]

Is this SEAD configuration? If not, why do they need to carry ECM pod?

It's a self defense ECM pod, not a dedicated standoff/tactical jamming pod.

J-10s and Flankers of multiple variants carry them.

I thought the upgrade included a new EW suite like the J-16

J-16 also carries the same pod for self defense ECM.

J-11BG might or might not enjoy a refreshed EW suite, but that doesn't mean it won't enjoy the benefits of a podded self defense ECM system.

 

[Blitzo]

Can anyone ID the pod carried by this J-11BG?

I just noticed -- on the far left wingtip pylon, this J-11BG is carrying a PL-10.

Of course, it's hardly unprecedented or unique, and we've seen J-10A/AHs, J-11BG, BGH carry them in the past (and it goes without saying they're standard for J-10B/C, J-16 and J-20).

But it seems that PL-10 has really began to replace PL-8 as the standard SRAAM.

 

[Schwerter_]

I just noticed -- on the far left wingtip pylon, this J-11BG is carrying a PL-10.

Of course, it's hardly unprecedented or unique, and we've seen J-10A/AHs, J-11BG, BGH carry them in the past (and it goes without saying they're standard for J-10B/C, J-16 and J-20).

But it seems that PL-10 has really began to replace PL-8 as the standard SRAAM.

I wonder if the older jets (J-11B and J-10A and such) will be able to utilize helmet mounted sights after switching to PL-10. To my knowledge both J-10A and J-11B have su-27-esque helmet mounted sight, or at least have the cockpit hardware to utilize such sights. They're rarely spotted in use with PL-8 but if they can get it to work with PL-10 which has good HOBS capabilities then it may be a very big step up in terms of its air-to-air capabilities (I mean an even bigger step, PL-10 by itself is already a big step).

 

[Flanker enjoyer]

It's a self defense ECM pod, not a dedicated standoff/tactical jamming pod.

J-10s and Flankers of multiple variants carry them.




J-16 also carries the same pod for self defense ECM.

J-11BG might or might not enjoy a refreshed EW suite, but that doesn't mean it won't enjoy the benefits of a podded self defense ECM system.

Do chinese flankers have built in self protection jammers?

 

[tanino]

The F-35 is actually the exception, as it is the only example of a fighter aircraft that has a HMD but no HUD.

For many other modern fighter aircraft (including newly designed and developed ones), it is actually common to have both a HMD (even an advanced one), and also a HUD.
Think about all of the fighter aircraft in the world with a variant of JHMDS, DASH, Topowl, Striker.

A HMD can in theory replace the role of a HUD (in addition to other advanced functions that a modern HMD can offer), but the centrality of the role of a HUD to even normal routine flight operations means that if your aircraft only had a HMD (no HUD), and it was found that there was some sort of teething issue with your HMD's development, testing, then you have no HUD to fall back on.


Of course, in future as HMD technology and development becomes much more assured, low risk and normalized, perhaps all aircraft will begin to forgo HUDs for HMDs. But for now, the minor added weight of a HUD is arguably of much more benefit, even if you had a modern high end HMD.

 

[Albatross]

Are J-11B still in production?

 

[by78]

A four-bird formation of J-16s.