China Flanker Thread II
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plawolf
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The Harrier is very much an entirely British design which the Americans license built and improved in the guise of their AV8 designation. In a way, it is a good parallel of the Su27 v J11B.
It is also wrong to suggest that no innovation has gone into the J11B. Plenty has, in the form or improved internal structural design that uses more composites and reduced weight as well as subtle external changes that are reported to have lowered the RCS from 15m^2 to 5m^2 without compromising the original airframe design.
The radar and avionics are far superior to the original Russian set and the the engines are likely to have a longer life then the Russian AL31s.
Compared to all these internal innovations, the external design is far easier. But why re-invent the wheel for no good reason? Has any of the Russian 'super flankers' departed much from the original Su27 design other then maybe a few superficial changes like reduced RCS measures and canards?
It can be argued, and many have, that the Russian T50 is like the ultimate evolution of the original Su27 design. But why would China want to follow that road when their own 5th gen design is at such an advanced stage already?
RedMercury
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Indigenous production first and worry about details later. The priority is that if the geopolitical situation turns sour, production of key weapon systems can't be stopped by foreign powers.
IMO, the discussion about legality or what not is pointless. Those who believe that Chinese will never be able to innovate can think what they like. Their delusions only strengthen our hand, and their racism just illustrates their personality. While the Chinese military technology complex has a ways to go, it has come a long way and the trends point the right way.
IMO, the discussion about legality or what not is pointless. Those who believe that Chinese will never be able to innovate can think what they like. Their delusions only strengthen our hand, and their racism just illustrates their personality. While the Chinese military technology complex has a ways to go, it has come a long way and the trends point the right way.
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Krabat1976
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From my point of view it is unlikely that China will ever export his J11, that would upset Russia and will delay promotion of 100% indigenous fighter like J10 or JF17. In fact this spring China showed to several countries J10 exactly with this purpose.
In a italian defence magazine i read that China is trying to gain export orders for J10 (but the article was not very positive, stating that J10 will have problem to gain marketshare because the export version is inferior to F16C/D latest version, Gripen, EF, Rafale, etc.) so I think that as soon domestic engines will be available China will start to export JF17 and J10 but not J11.
In a italian defence magazine i read that China is trying to gain export orders for J10 (but the article was not very positive, stating that J10 will have problem to gain marketshare because the export version is inferior to F16C/D latest version, Gripen, EF, Rafale, etc.) so I think that as soon domestic engines will be available China will start to export JF17 and J10 but not J11.
Actually J10 and J11 are different class of fighters, look at J10 as the western F16 and J11 as the western F15 class fighters. JF17 was a light fighter that would go very well with third world countries that operated large number of Mig-21 and old F-5.
Thus there will be a market for J11... especially with countries who wished to operate heavy fighter-bomber along side their mid-weigh or light weigh fighters...
Making j-11 has already piss off russia. (with or without reason). Exporting it IMO would sour the relations betwen the 2 nations. China has too much relationship with russia to endanger just to get a few bucks from j-11b export.
besides ws-10 is still in development. No way that they could export the j-11 with russian engine
I completely agree ! Besides that the production rate is IMO simply high enough to fill PLAAF/PLA-NAF regiments.
Deino
This reminds me of the alleged news that Kim Jong Il asked Wen Jiao Bao to provide free J-10s for the North Korean Airforce
... The Chinese airforce can't get enough of the plane and now they want it for free!The Chinese Airforce still needs to construct enough 4th gen fighters to replace the large fleets of J-7s and J-8s in service and only when J-XX comes to fruition would I expect China to export J-11s.
They won't sell J-11's - I don't think we've heard anything about shenyang or the PLAAF considering that..
But WS-10 is already in production, just look at all the pics earlier in this thread.
AssassinsMace
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That story about North Korea wanting J-10s is propaganda coming from South Korea. The time window is simply too narrow for anything like that to happen. Maybe the South saw how much Western anger there was about Iran getting J-10s, which hasn't happened, they wanted to stir the pot themselves. Notice these rumors only happen when "rogue nations" they say are about to be attacked? The window is too narrow to possibly happen. So all of this is the same people feeding upon their own rumor mongering taking a life of its own. For all we know this is South Korea's way to get discounted F-35s or maybe even scare the US into selling them F-22s or the technology.
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