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Didn't the pilot use the WS-10A powered J-11BS in winning the Championship?
China Flanker Thread II
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GreenestGDP
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Are you familiar with the annual National Golden Helmet competition ?
I am trying to find the links to < Golden Helmet < Free--style > combat
mixed class competition.
China’s Increasingly Good Mock
Air Battles Prep Pilots for Real War
by David Axe
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After the extensive modification by ShenYang, ... ...
J-11B is beating J-10A and J-10B * 3 years in a row.
IMHO ... ...
My observations ... ...
That is why -- we see the delay on J-10B, parking in ChengDu,
and ... ...
That is why -- we see the introduction of J-11D.
After, J-11B, J-16, and J-15 ... ...
Who would have thought ShenYang will be working on J-11D
as the next derivative of Su-27 ??
Why does PLAAF delay J-10B and introduce J-11D ??
Before, J-10A was playing as the RED team.
Now, it is reversed.
J-11B is playing the RED team.
Why is that ?
*** Are my observations logical ?
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GOLDEN HELMETS * 2014
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GreenestGDP
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Please ignore my reply.
Sorry, I misunderstood your post.
Yes, J-11BS with WS-10A engine ( the Champion, s/n 10322 )
Have you watched the video ?
J-11BS with WS-10A engine ( the Champion, s/n 10322 )
Slightly off topic:
It appears that David Axe quoted tphuang in the article linked above. Congrats?
It appears that David Axe quoted tphuang in the article linked above. Congrats?
asif iqbal
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Okay, first of all, GreenestGDP, your posts are immensely hard to follow. Your premises and questions are not full sentences, and there are massive paragraph breaks, and it takes a bit of effort to understand what you're saying, with all the bolded words, question marks and other random symbols everywhere. I'd appreciate it if you formatted your replies more coherently.
As to your question -- no, we cannot assume that the results of exercises are necessarily shaping Chinese fighter production plans, because the results of the exercises could due to possibly better training of pilots of certain flanker types compared to J-10 in terms of the ability to use their aircraft in the Golden Helmet exercises. More importantly, your conclusion also assumes that the Air Force would consider the Golden Helmet exercises to be the most significant factor in determining procurement, when in reality the cost, physical performance, availability and fleet requirements are all additional factors in procurement as well, beyond merely their combat capability in confrontation exercises.
I'm also not sure why you believe J-11Bs have managed to beat J-10Bs -- we do not know if any J-10Bs have been part of these competitions yet, given they have only recently entered service.
Also, during all exercises, J-11B and J-10As and other differing types of aircraft would all switch blue and red teams, for instance a recent Chinese Naval Aviation exercise involved J-8IIs as red team going up against Su-30MK2s as blue team. In certain exercises at certain bases there are a dedicated blue team opfor.
So what you seem to be suggesting is that based off the exercises, is that the Air Force prefers Flankers to J-10s, and that we are seeing it in terms of their introduction of supposedly delayed J-10Bs while developing J-11Ds.
That is illogical, because J-10Bs are not being "delayed" -- 50 such aircraft have already been delivered to the air force and more are being constructed. J-11Ds have only recently made their maiden flight and will take a number of years to enter service, but remember that J-11D is less of a comprehensive upgrade to J-11B than J-10B/C was to J-10A, meaning of course it would take some time for J-10B to enter service.
It is also illogical because we cannot assume that the results of the exercises necessarily reflects the inherent capability of the aircraft in question, nor can we assume that the results of the golden helmet competitions are a significant means in which the Air Force bases its procurement plans on.
I also want to repeat again, that we have no evidence that J-10Bs have participated as part of the golden helmet exercises as of yet, and you should stop suggesting that they have in absence of any evidence or even credible rumours.
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That David Axe was from two years ago... and he was quoting a write up done by tphuang four years ago, in 2011...
I also wouldn't consider being quoted by David Axe as an achievement.
I feel like it is also worth adding that multiple Golden Helmets are given out per year... not only one per year. Therefore the fact that J-11B won one in the last three years does not suggest that other pilots of other aircraft did not also win any.
For instance, here are the golden helmet winners of a certain year (2012 possibly), and they all flew a variety of differing airciraft. No single type of aircraft "wins" the golden helmet competition.
For instance, here are the golden helmet winners of a certain year (2012 possibly), and they all flew a variety of differing airciraft. No single type of aircraft "wins" the golden helmet competition.
It's still a major online publication. Also, I put a question mark at the end of my original remark.
I feel like it is also worth adding that multiple Golden Helmets are given out per year... not only one per year. Therefore the fact that J-11B won one in the last three years does not suggest that other pilots of other aircraft did not also win any.
For instance, here are the golden helmet winners of a certain year (2012 possibly), and they all flew a variety of differing airciraft. No single type of aircraft "wins" the golden helmet competition.
J-8IIH also won Golden Helmet a while back (2013?). I wonder if the J-8 pilots participated in a special bracket consisting of second gen fighters.
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